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Post by fernie »

dessimus wrote: post #172
smallerfish wrote: post #90

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> in two decades While I agree with your overall point, I'm reminded of "the market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent" here. The US is a huge economy with a massive military infrastructure. I don't think it's fading to fallen empire status that quickly.

>The US is a huge economy with a massive military infrastructure. Yeah, because famously neither Rome nor Spain nor England had massive military infrastructures for their times.

The fall of Rome took like 400 years...

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Post by jackvalentine »

throwaway-11-1 wrote: post #192
jimbokun wrote: post #92

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Or just allow Chinese EVs without tariffs. Would be incredible for US auto consumers. But might put some of our automakers out of business.

I don’t care about US brands, let Xiaomi and BYD run those factories. Just let me have a YU-7 for the love of god!

Those factories won’t be run by Chinese automakers they’ll be shut down with the corresponding loss of jobs and secondary industries.

Gotta say I was annoyed at the time but deprecating the Australian car manufacturers last decade means we have no scruples about allowing cheap as chips Chinese EVs through the door and I’m loving it.

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Post by WarmWash »

jamie_ca wrote: post #215
WarmWash wrote: post #199

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I'll throw my hat in the ring of rage: PHEVs are (largely) for consumers who don't understand how EVs work (but think they do) and are too scared of having to sit in their car and charge for an hour anytime they leave the town perimeter. In reality with most EVs, you can drive 500 miles with one 30 minute charge. That's 7 hours of driving at 65mph, and one 30 minute charge. I know everyone claims to be a psychopath d…

> with most EVs, you can drive 500 miles with one 30 minute charge I'm just gonna call bullshit on that one. https://ev-database.org/cheatsheet/range-electric-car looks like it's got a bunch of recent vehicles, and pegs average range at 390km or 242mi. The _highest_ range there is 720km or 450mi, and a 300KW charge runs it 10-80% (+500km range, not miles) in a half hour. If you _don't_ have the absolute best range +…

Assume 300 mi range and 200kW charging

Leave home full charge -> drive 275 miles -> charge 30 min to 80% -> drive 225mi -> arrive with ~10%

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

phil21 wrote: post #133
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #111

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> The west coast is the only part that relies on middle eastern oil. And a spike in prices will just get them in line and connected to the rest of the shale powered system. The west coast is adopting EVs at a faster pace than the rest of the country. You could just as well see accelerated adoption of EVs in personal and freight transportation, Chinese manufacturers opening up US EV production, and so on. The answer i…

The west coast also has some of the highest priced electricity in the nation, with apparently projections on it getting even worse somehow. It’s amazing how much grift and subsidy leveraging the US renewables market has engaged in compared to pragmatic deployments elsewhere like China. Utterly insane and it shows how difficult it’s going to be to fix since it’s an endemic problem with American society at its core.

Oregon and Washington state do not have expensive electricity. California does, but they also have light heating and AC needs so whatever. It is still much cheaper to charge an EV in California than to gas up a car in Texas (on a mileage per cost basis).

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Post by WarmWash »

epistasis wrote: post #18
roryobrien wrote: post #15

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PHEV is the absolute way to go. Next car is 100% going to be this. I rented two EV's and had serious stress about charging in locations I wasn't familiar with. All the different plug types and speeds was also not helpful. PHEV is a great gateway into full EV.

Rental cars as EVs are pretty much the worst possible case. We are at the transition where we don't have chargers everywhere, but we will soon because chargers are way cheaper than a gas station. Also rentals tend to be driven for longer trips, and for uncertain distances! And on top of it all rental companies tend to not give people any choice, education, or help with the EV. I wouldn't bother with a PHEV for a vehi…

The two people I know who hate EVs passionately are people who decided to try it out as a rental, were explained nothing, just handed the keys, and as expected ended up stranded.

One didn't check if their hotel had charging, the other ran the battery down to 10% before deciding it was time to try and locate a charger.

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Post by WarmWash »

wcfields wrote: post #106
roryobrien wrote: post #15

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PHEV is the absolute way to go. Next car is 100% going to be this. I rented two EV's and had serious stress about charging in locations I wasn't familiar with. All the different plug types and speeds was also not helpful. PHEV is a great gateway into full EV.

If anyone from Ford reads HN: What's keeping me from a Ford Maverick truck is waiting for the PHEV version.

Just get a lightning unless it's too big for you.

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Post by WarmWash »

tencentshill wrote: post #135
linuxhansl wrote: post #64

How much many more wars over gas or oil do we need to finally just take the energy that (for the most part) is available locally and renewable?! The petrol era is coming to an end. Our current administration might desperately want to remain a petrol state (for reasons that escape me), but it will only delay the inevitable. The EU is not much better either. The writing has been on the wall, and even since the Russian…

EVs were on track to being mainstream 20 years ago. See the other story about the 90s GM EV1 and associated documentary. All the technology was there in 1999, but every EV in development simultaneously shut down once they started becoming usable.

We're not going to pretend that energy density in batteries was anywhere near ready for prime time in 1999. Maybe niche around town cars owned by those willing to sacrifice to have something cool/unique.

The EV1 was a $70k car (2026 dollars) with economy car size and fittings, with a 75mi range and 3 hour charge time. There is no conspiracy, the tech wasn't there yet.

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Post by tzs »

macintux wrote: post #67
nico wrote: post #9

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I think plug-in hybrids are the perfect combo. You get amazing flexibility and if you mostly drive locally, then 80-90% you are probably purely driving electric When we bought are last car, I would've bought one of those if there had been a Toyota or Honda minivan. We ended up going for a regular hybrid instead. Hopefully this category gets adopted by more car makers

Extra weight, extra drivetrain complexity, and many owners don't actually charge their hybrids so they're getting worse mileage. Tradeoffs everywhere, so "perfect" is very much not the word I'd apply.

If you don't charge your PHEV it still works as a HEV, so you get considerably better gas mileage than a pure ICE.

Also, is the drivetrain more complex? If your Hybrid is a Toyota it will have a mechanically simpler drivetrain than an ICE, but their drivetrain is electrically and electronically more complex. I think it is the same with some Honda hybrids.

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Post by karussell »

fainpul wrote: post #169
eqvinox wrote: post #149

I'm in Shenzhen currently. Do you know how quiet the city is, even during rush hour? It's amazing. All because almost every car is electric. Even the damn scooters. It'd actually be enjoyable to be outdoor in downtown if they fixed the air pollution… (some of which of course powers these cars… for now.)

EVs are only quiet when driving very slowly. At about 50 km/h (30 mph) they are pretty much the same as ICE cars. What's the general speed limit where you are?

City speeds are way below 50kmh (even below 30kmh in most cities!) and ICE cars are a lot louder when accelerating. So I'd love to see more EVs in our city too. Especially in winter days when the motors are not (yet) warm enough to clean the exhaust gas...

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Post by tzs »

rilindo wrote: post #41
rtkwe wrote: post #6

It's funny to see these gas prices spike as companies are announcing they're killing their EV models here in the US.

It is worse than that. Companies are killing their EV models and discontinuing [sedans]( https://www.autoblog.com/features/these-automakers-no-longer... ) in favor of trucks and SUVs.

There have been a whole bunch of articles in the last month about how the US automakers are trying to being back sedans:

"America Fell Out of Love With the Sedan. Detroit Wants to Bring It Back" [1].

"Detroit Automakers Want To Bring Back Sedans. Will They Last This Time?" [2]

"General Motors Could Bring Buick Back to Sedans with a New RWD Model" [3]

"Buick Is Reportedly Considering a New Sedan for the United States" [4]

"Are sedans coming back? How looser EPA rules and rising SUV costs could reshape the U.S. car market" [5]

"Ford Confirms it is getting back to the sedan and minivan game in America as well as an Escape successor" [6]

"Detroit Abandoned Sedans, Now It Wants Them Back" [7]

[1] https://www.wsj.com/business/autos/sedans-cars-trucks-detroi...

[2] https://www.thedrive.com/news/detroit-automakers-want-to-bri...

[3] https://autos.yahoo.com/new-vehicles-and-reviews/articles/ge...

[4] https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a70738088/report-buick-sed...

[5] https://www.autonocion.com/us/american-automakers-considerin...

[6] https://www.reddit.com/r/cars/comments/1qy8802/ford_confirms... or https://old.reddit.com/r/cars/comments/1qy8802/ford_confirms...

[7] https://www.carscoops.com/2026/02/detroit-three-sedan-comeba...

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