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Oregon school cell phone ban: 'Engaged students, joyful teachers'

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Re: Oregon school cell phone ban: 'Engaged students, joyful teachers'

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Post by corporate_pie »

kibwen wrote: post #109
corporate_pie wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here is how it would work in real life: The laptop would come with a study mode button. You would push it and turn off distractions. Then 5 minutes later you would disable it just to send a chat. Then since it was off, you'd just quickly check TikTok. Then while you're at it, it just a quick break, you'd pop over to Twitch. 3 hours later... If you can't teach yourself restraint, a button won't help.

Slowing down the dopamine feedback loop works. Many impulses that lead to distraction are automatic, not conscious. Ever closed a Hacker News tab just for your fingers to immediately re-type the URL into the bar and hit enter? There are browser extensions that delay loading pages on a given site for a number of seconds, to cut off that sort of automatic behavior, and they work as long as the delay to load the site is…

>> just for your fingers to immediately re-type the URL into the bar and hit enter?

No. That sounds pretty effed up.

Re: Oregon school cell phone ban: 'Engaged students, joyful teachers'

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Post by kelseyfrog »

DANmode wrote: post #227
kelseyfrog wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, I disagree.

Okay, finally unraveled your comment: you’re saying the complaint is that in that era it was also thought of as a new phenomenon. That makes some sense - it’s been a declining slope, with a huge drop-off point. But was there also evidence of less-competent people coming out of the end of the machine that’s supposed to produce people to keep the civilization functional? Probably happened at one time or another - but i…

I'm so sorry. But consider that you're simply wrong.

Re: Oregon school cell phone ban: 'Engaged students, joyful teachers'

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Post by jon-wood »

alexfoo wrote: post #95
jon-wood wrote: post #78

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The sealed pouches are a bit of theatre. My son's school has a policy that pupil's can take their phones to school but if one is seen or heard on the school grounds it'll be confiscated and the owner's parents called to come pick it up on their behalf. From what I hear they're not shy about applying that policy either.

Offsetting part of the punishment to the parents (having to get them to come in to the school to collect the phone) is going to help get the policy reinforced from home in most cases. My kid’s school had a similar policy. I didn't mind having to go out of my way to collect the phone and didn’t pass any of that on to my kid, they were annoyed enough about having it confiscated that it only took a few times before they…

Heh, my son goes to school in the next town over and I don't drive, which means it's either a 90 minute round trip by bus or £40 of taxi fares. I've made it abundantly clear to him that if I have to go into the school to get his phone back he's picking up the tab for my taxis.

Re: Oregon school cell phone ban: 'Engaged students, joyful teachers'

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Post by DANmode »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #232
DANmode wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay, finally unraveled your comment: you’re saying the complaint is that in that era it was also thought of as a new phenomenon. That makes some sense - it’s been a declining slope, with a huge drop-off point. But was there also evidence of less-competent people coming out of the end of the machine that’s supposed to produce people to keep the civilization functional? Probably happened at one time or another - but i…

I'm so sorry. But consider that you're simply wrong.

I have considered that,

but I’m still wholly unconvinced,

due to your abandonment of the thread after a drive-by effort.

Re: Oregon school cell phone ban: 'Engaged students, joyful teachers'

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Post by kelseyfrog »

DANmode wrote: post #234
kelseyfrog wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm so sorry. But consider that you're simply wrong.

I have considered that, but I’m still wholly unconvinced, due to your abandonment of the thread after a drive-by effort.

Huh? The validity of my take is based on some rule you have in your head? What I'm seeing is someone who is desperate to be right.

Everyone for the last 2000 years has expressed the same sentiment you did.

They all feel exactly the same way. The parsimonious explanation is that this is a bias that develops as we age and like any bias, we're especially blind to it and deny its existence as evidenced in this thread.

I know it doesn't feel good to realize you have a bias, but that rational thing is to understand it and account for it. That too is part of growing older.

Re: Oregon school cell phone ban: 'Engaged students, joyful teachers'

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Post by hollerith »

DANmode wrote: post #224
hollerith wrote: post #222

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Teaching them respect sounds a lot harder than just confiscating their phones.

No doubt, that’s why the pendulum has swung as far as it, in the direction it has! That doesn’t make it the right call , necessarily legal in every jurisdiction, or even moral (in certain edge cases). Calling back to my earlier comment: handing your kid an iPad for all of their free time is easy, too!

You're supposing that there existed a virtuous past in which parents taught their children respect and that if we returned to that past, there would be no need to ban smartphones in the classroom, and you believe that even though this virtuous past had no smartphones.

Re: Oregon school cell phone ban: 'Engaged students, joyful teachers'

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Post by DANmode »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #235
DANmode wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have considered that, but I’m still wholly unconvinced, due to your abandonment of the thread after a drive-by effort.

Huh? The validity of my take is based on some rule you have in your head? What I'm seeing is someone who is desperate to be right. Everyone for the last 2000 years has expressed the same sentiment you did. They all feel exactly the same way. The parsimonious explanation is that this is a bias that develops as we age and like any bias, we're especially blind to it and deny its existence as evidenced in this thread. I…

> What I'm seeing is someone who is desperate to be right.

I’m desperate to understand what your point is - if it’s that I’m just another old fogie biased against the next generation, then you couldn’t be more mislead.

I’m desperate to have a conversation, for the good of this community. That’s what we’re here for.

> Everyone for the last 2000 years has expressed the same sentiment you did.

I’m not expressing a sentiment. We all are. Entire classrooms of kids are ignoring the authority figure as a default.

That’s the topic in TFA.

It’s…not my opinion. Or a sentiment. Or subject to bias.

Whatever bias you think I’m showing: you should name it! I don’t even know what sort of fallacy you’re accusing me of!

Growing older isn’t accepting someone sneering vaguely and unproductively at you.

Re: Oregon school cell phone ban: 'Engaged students, joyful teachers'

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Post by cindyllm »

DANmode wrote: post #237
kelseyfrog wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huh? The validity of my take is based on some rule you have in your head? What I'm seeing is someone who is desperate to be right. Everyone for the last 2000 years has expressed the same sentiment you did. They all feel exactly the same way. The parsimonious explanation is that this is a bias that develops as we age and like any bias, we're especially blind to it and deny its existence as evidenced in this thread. I…

> What I'm seeing is someone who is desperate to be right. I’m desperate to understand what your point is - if it’s that I’m just another old fogie biased against the next generation, then you couldn’t be more mislead. I’m desperate to have a conversation, for the good of this community. That’s what we’re here for. > Everyone for the last 2000 years has expressed the same sentiment you did. I’m not expressing a senti…

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Re: Oregon school cell phone ban: 'Engaged students, joyful teachers'

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Post by DANmode »

hollerith wrote: post #236
DANmode wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No doubt, that’s why the pendulum has swung as far as it, in the direction it has! That doesn’t make it the right call , necessarily legal in every jurisdiction, or even moral (in certain edge cases). Calling back to my earlier comment: handing your kid an iPad for all of their free time is easy, too!

You're supposing that there existed a virtuous past in which parents taught their children respect and that if we returned to that past, there would be no need to ban smartphones in the classroom, and you believe that even though this virtuous past had no smartphones.

I’m supposing that there are, have been,

and will be,

cultures that exhibit (and socially enforce) basic respect, yes.

Even in the presence of technology.

Re: Oregon school cell phone ban: 'Engaged students, joyful teachers'

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Post by heavygrit »

godelski wrote: post #230
eloisant wrote: post #225

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Your high school didn't call your parents to tell you you missed a class? Where I live we get a phone call the same day if our kids miss a class without prior notice.

Usually no. If you missed multiple yeah, but mostly they didn't care. Though they started to my senior year. You'd get detention or even suspension if you did it too much. It was especially problematic with us in the AP/IB programs. My older sibling's class (AP/IB) ditched so much it was messing with the state attendance records. But maybe they didn't call because we were in the advanced programs. The people ditching…

guess I'm glad you're not in charge of this shit. I can't even tell what lousy point you're trying to make under all this. Going to school doesn't matter? Skipping is easy, everybody should do it? it's good to pull the wool over your parent's eyes?

> messing with the state attendance records whut?

At a basic level parental controls exist for a reason. I didn't make these products. Using them isn't the same as tracking your kids. Calling attentive parents names on the internet is stupid as is allowing phones in K-12 schools which is the point of the thread. Congrats on successfully skipping high school classes so well, troll

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