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Re: Warranty Void If Regenerated

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

Aditya_Garg wrote: post #226
toofy wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

because we typically want to know the writer of a piece. we want to know where to lay credit. every book you buy has an author credited. articles in newspapers and magazines have photographer and author attributions. asking an ai to write you a story does not make you an author. if you ask someone to take a photo for you, you don’t magically get to say “look at this photograph, i’m a photographer.” if you ask someone…

I’ve said this many times before AI is just a tool If you used a fancy auto bake cake machine instead of an oven, you still get to claim that you made the cake. 100 years ago someone would be making the claim that using an oven to make cakes “doesn’t count” All AI did was raise the bar It’s quite clear here that the author spent a lot of time on this so he absolutely gets credit as the author

I think there's a distinction.

Imagine if you had an auto cake making machine that decides on its own the best time to make cake. It adds the ingredients, stirs, turns the oven on, and leaves the finished cake on the counter for you.

People start opening bakeries consisting entirely of cakes baked by the automatic machines. The owners of these machines have no idea whether the cakes have a bit too much flour or were slightly over-stirred. In some cases, they haven't even tried the cakes.

Who gets to claim they made the cake?

By contrast, there are others who carefully tune their machines to make sure everything is perfect. They adjust the mixing settings and ingredient proportions. They experiment and iterate. They taste test throughout the process. And what they give to the public tastes every bit as good as a homemade cake.

The first group is creating slop. The second group, I think, is baking. And OP is in the second group.

Re: Warranty Void If Regenerated

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Post by vintermann »

fzeroracer wrote: post #227
Aditya_Garg wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve said this many times before AI is just a tool If you used a fancy auto bake cake machine instead of an oven, you still get to claim that you made the cake. 100 years ago someone would be making the claim that using an oven to make cakes “doesn’t count” All AI did was raise the bar It’s quite clear here that the author spent a lot of time on this so he absolutely gets credit as the author

If you commission a baker to bake you a cake, did you make the cake? What if you added sprinkles on top?

If you commission a baker, another person, with wants and desires of their own, is involved.

If you use an AI, there isn't.

Either way, it's clear that the author (yes, the author) put a lot of work into this by iterating and shaping it to what he wanted, and that's a lot more than sprinkles.

Re: Warranty Void If Regenerated

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Post by vintermann »

chii wrote: post #223
toofy wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

because we typically want to know the writer of a piece. we want to know where to lay credit. every book you buy has an author credited. articles in newspapers and magazines have photographer and author attributions. asking an ai to write you a story does not make you an author. if you ask someone to take a photo for you, you don’t magically get to say “look at this photograph, i’m a photographer.” if you ask someone…

> want to know the writer of a piece but you dodged the question i asked - why can't a piece stand on the contents, rather than its pedigree? Would you care if a writer used a pen name? Does that in any way diminish their works? What about the unknown editors that contributed?

It's not about pedigree, but context. Without context our most beloved stories are just meaningless ink on paper.

Re: Warranty Void If Regenerated

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Post by Radle »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #167
donatj wrote: post #61

I'm trying to sort out my own emotions on this. I did not realize this was AI generated while reading it until I came to the comments here... And I feel genuinely had? Like "oh wow, you got me"... I don't like this feeling. It's certainly the longest thing (I know about) I've taken the time to read that was AI generated. The writing struck me as genuinely good, like something out of The New Yorker. I found the story…

I also had no idea this was LLM generated. After reading your comment, I had a similar emotional reaction. Thinking deeper, it seems prudent that we tag submissions like this with a prefix. Example: "LLM: ". This would be similar to "Show HN: ". While we cannot control what the original sources choose to disclose, we can fill that gap ourselves. My point: I agree with you: It is misleading that the blog post does not…

We really need to stop thinking that every AI assisted thing is bound to be slop. "Shit in Shit out" often Applies in reverse aswell.

Re: Warranty Void If Regenerated

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Post by krater23 »

I stopped to read because I had the feel that the writer has no plan about what he was writing. It's completely bullshit. Software regenerating, changing Requirements in a product thats delivered and comes without source. Completely bullshit. When I now read here that it's AI, I'm happy to see that AI is still not capable of writing senseful texts.

Re: Warranty Void If Regenerated

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Post by fzeroracer »

vintermann wrote: post #232
fzeroracer wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you commission a baker to bake you a cake, did you make the cake? What if you added sprinkles on top?

If you commission a baker, another person , with wants and desires of their own, is involved. If you use an AI, there isn't. Either way, it's clear that the author (yes, the author) put a lot of work into this by iterating and shaping it to what he wanted, and that's a lot more than sprinkles.

> If you commission a baker, another person, with wants and desires of their own, is involved.

> If you use an AI, there isn't.

What is the functional difference here? You are commissioning (see: prompting) someone (see: an AI) for a piece of work, or artwork or whatever. The output is out of your control; and I don't think the existence or lack thereof of a human on the other end materially matters.

If we had hyper-advanced ovens from The Jetsons where we could type a prompt using a fold-out keyboard and it would magically generate whatever cake we ask of it: did we or did we not bake that cake? And I do not think it is clear the author put a lot of work iterating and shaping it into what he wanted; we have zero insight into that.

Re: Warranty Void If Regenerated

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Post by guitarlimeo »

donkeybeer wrote: post #228
guitarlimeo wrote: post #206

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Hmm I can think of various examples where the guitarist was changed and people dismiss the new guitarist. Take a look at Megadeth for example - every new solo guitarist gets compared to Marty Friedman even though he hasn't been in the band for 26 years. So a lot of it is player focused. But your point also stands here, every new guitarist must play the solos as close to the original ones as possible, otherwise it's n…

Some of course have a very unique style that seems very hard to replicate. Personally I haven't yet found a single band that manages to faithfully execute classic era Slayer. But there are countless bands today who make very good execution of norwegian black metal and swedish death metal. Edit: And a lot of modern black metal for example doesn't even bother with stating who they are. Member lists are pseudonymous or…

Ok I'm not as up to date with modern black metal, that pseudonymity seems cool.

There's also upcoming math rock band Angine de Poitrine who are also anonymous https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ssi-9wS1so . In these cases you can argue that the person doesn't matter but in my opinion it still does. There's a person inside that costume, who has made the decision to be anonymous as part of the whole experience. That's part of their expression.

Of course there's then bands like Ghost who have mainstreamed this too - the players wearing the costumes are usually just contract musicians and don't have anything to do with Tobias or the music other than playing for money. Good for them but f that, you are just a robot at that point.

Re: Warranty Void If Regenerated

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Post by avian »

rikschennink wrote: post #164

When I noticed the article header image was generated with AI my interest in reading the article itself dropped to zero.

Can you point out what made you think the images were AI generates? I suspected they were (before reading in this thread everything is AI generated), but I couldn't find any of the usual signs.

I thought they were AI because I suspected nobody would pay an illustrator/actually spend time making those illustrations for a story like this.

The fact that the whole text was AI came as a surprise. I did notice that weird inconsistency about feed pricing mentioned in another comment but just thought the author made an error or I misunderstood something.

Re: Warranty Void If Regenerated

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Post by fao_ »

chii wrote: post #223
toofy wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

because we typically want to know the writer of a piece. we want to know where to lay credit. every book you buy has an author credited. articles in newspapers and magazines have photographer and author attributions. asking an ai to write you a story does not make you an author. if you ask someone to take a photo for you, you don’t magically get to say “look at this photograph, i’m a photographer.” if you ask someone…

> want to know the writer of a piece but you dodged the question i asked - why can't a piece stand on the contents, rather than its pedigree? Would you care if a writer used a pen name? Does that in any way diminish their works? What about the unknown editors that contributed?

If someone couldn't be bothered to write it, I certainly can't be bothered to read it. I did not bother to read the article involved because the continual piss stain on the images, the website itself, and a few key phrases let me on to the fact that it was all generated.

When you interact with art, you do so to interact with the author and the point they want to make. Writing is something where a skilled writer will be able to make a point tersely and have it stick, knowing where to embellish and where to keep it simple. Every decision in art tells you about the artist. Generative AI may be able to fake the composition process, but the point of composition is it reveals something about the human. All of those are artistic decisions that a machine apparently now "can do", but not with any coherency.

The holder of the reigns of slop is not an artist, this is plain to see because they do not interact or engage with their work on the same level as an artist. The produced slop is not art, because it cannot be engaged with on the same level.

Re: Warranty Void If Regenerated

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Post by stingraycharles »

chii wrote: post #223
toofy wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

because we typically want to know the writer of a piece. we want to know where to lay credit. every book you buy has an author credited. articles in newspapers and magazines have photographer and author attributions. asking an ai to write you a story does not make you an author. if you ask someone to take a photo for you, you don’t magically get to say “look at this photograph, i’m a photographer.” if you ask someone…

> want to know the writer of a piece but you dodged the question i asked - why can't a piece stand on the contents, rather than its pedigree? Would you care if a writer used a pen name? Does that in any way diminish their works? What about the unknown editors that contributed?

Because you need to do some pre-filtering on where to focus your attention, and you want to make sure the author put some thought into the article without having to analyze it.

Due to LLMs making the cost of publishing “thoughts” extremely low, there’s now an over-supply of content that looks decent on the surface, but in reality the author has probably spent less time on than the reader.

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