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Source code of Swedish e-government services has been leaked

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Re: Source code of Swedish e-government services has been leaked

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That depends entirely on what the records hold and who is interpreting the event.

Yes, who could ever care about German birth records from the 1700s in 1933?

Are you interest in arguing in good faith, or just being snarky on the internet? That doesn’t contradict the point in the slightest. In fact, it supports it. Or did you conveniently forget the book burnings?

Evil people use records in evil ways, righteous people use them in righteous ways.

Again, them being perishable being a feature or a bug depends entirely on what the records hold and who is interpreting the event.

Re: Source code of Swedish e-government services has been leaked

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Nothing in particular, based on my understanding CGI a Swedish IT consultant company was hacked, they have contracts for and are the maintainers and developers of a bunch of various government departments IT services.

CGI is Canadian, with global headquarters in Montreal.

Well they are Swedish here it is like a daughter company or something.

Re: Source code of Swedish e-government services has been leaked

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Because tax is not your bill from 'government Corp ', its your contribution to the community, to your tribe. And we have explicit goals for this, besides bringing revenue (like the strongest back should carry the heaviest burden). When we have communal contributions in other settings, your contribution is usually not a secret. It is meant to give the tax system more legitimacy, that you don't gave to wonder if people…

This has also the effect of fueling envy, and allows employers to discriminate you if they see that you have side income (or if you don't). Why make all of this fuss about RGPD if private data is in the open? And why not include medical data as well? The "tribe" has the right to know how much each one costs, right?

I don't follow. It allows citizenry to identify wage discrimination and other malpractices, people can get paid on the value of their work and not just how good they are at gaming the wage negotiations. Plus most of the civilised world has this thing called a "union" and "workers rights" that generally prevent your imagined scenario from happening.

What has medical data got to do with this? You can't very well go up to a disabled person and say, hey, you cost society more money, maybe you should have been born less disabled, you cost too much, pay more. Societal safety nets exist for a reason, and how much one is compensated for equal labour as your coworker... I don't see how it's related at all to the "make the disabled pay more" eugenics argument.

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NATO status acquired. S was controlled by V and MP on this and was so-so. We see it now with S complaining about the governments talks with France over their nuclear umbrella. (Call her she is crying https://www.tv4.se/artikel/3GXfcuT7u8zm5ApyIJ4Z8b/andersson-... ) Something I also support this government on. Redirected grants from lesser nations to Ukraine with the biggest aid package ever to Ukraine explicitly stat…

We already had a deal with Finland. Would have happened no matter was in power in Sweden. Though now with trump back it's not looking like the best idea. >A paradigm shift against organised crime Keep doing the same thing, ask cops how to solve the problem, more cops is always the answer. The war on drugs is a massive failure. About to get a lot more refugees to Europe thanks to Trump.

A deal with Finland? What are you referring to?

>Would have happened no matter was in power in Sweden.

Maybe so but does not change the ideological leanings of the left being against us joining NATO.

>Though now with trump back it's not looking like the best idea.

NATO is more than just the USA, but the USA is a large part. I have faith that the Americans will come to their senses. NATO is a huge benefit to them in terms of military bases open to their disposal as we see with the Iran strikes. Hopefully CENTCOM & EUCOM can make Trump see this.

>Keep doing the same thing, ask cops how to solve the problem, more cops is always the answer

I mean as I showed, it is working for us, for now. There is a clear decline in crime.

>The war on drugs is a massive failure.

Are you Swedish or just an american leftie tiktok brained swede? We have our own drug policy, influenced by our alcohol policy. We used to be a very poor, rural, drunk country.

>About to get a lot more refugees to Europe thanks to Trump.

We can just... not let them in. How about that. Dont try and blame Trump for this. There are plenty safe countries in the Middle East they can migrate to. No need to go to Europe.

Re: Source code of Swedish e-government services has been leaked

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Because tax is not your bill from 'government Corp ', its your contribution to the community, to your tribe. And we have explicit goals for this, besides bringing revenue (like the strongest back should carry the heaviest burden). When we have communal contributions in other settings, your contribution is usually not a secret. It is meant to give the tax system more legitimacy, that you don't gave to wonder if people…

This has also the effect of fueling envy, and allows employers to discriminate you if they see that you have side income (or if you don't). Why make all of this fuss about RGPD if private data is in the open? And why not include medical data as well? The "tribe" has the right to know how much each one costs, right?

> why not include medical data as well?

It is usually those with little power that suffer when you do that, and those with a lot of power that suffer from financial openness. I ask this in the most naive way possible I think the Pandora Leak was a good thing, do you not agree?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandora_Papers

Re: Source code of Swedish e-government services has been leaked

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post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because tax is not your bill from 'government Corp ', its your contribution to the community, to your tribe. And we have explicit goals for this, besides bringing revenue (like the strongest back should carry the heaviest burden). When we have communal contributions in other settings, your contribution is usually not a secret. It is meant to give the tax system more legitimacy, that you don't gave to wonder if people…

This has also the effect of fueling envy, and allows employers to discriminate you if they see that you have side income (or if you don't). Why make all of this fuss about RGPD if private data is in the open? And why not include medical data as well? The "tribe" has the right to know how much each one costs, right?

First, lets me clarrify that I am trying to explain how this practise is justified in Norway, I am not arguing for or against it. Some of the justification is pure cultural traits, which you can try to understand even if you dont agree with them yourself. Also note that this is not completely non-controversal, but it seems like the current setup (where you need to log in to search, in addition to the public lists in the newspaper) has reasonable strong support.

  This has also the effect of fueling envy
Yeah, I guess the same feeling can look like both "envy" and "sense of justice", depending on where you see it from. But we can't protect everyone from their feelings.

  and allows employers to discriminate you if they see that you have side income (or if you don't). 
I have never heard about this, and I don't really see the dynamic here. What definitely IS a effect is that it makes it a bit harder for employers to give employees with equal tasks very different salaries.

  Why make all of this fuss about RGPD if private data is in the open?

Because this is seen as, at least partially, public data.

  And why not include medical data as well? The "tribe" has the right to know how much each one costs, right?
No. And this is where you must just belive me when I say that this is just a truth about the cultue, most people (in Scandinavia) would not agree with argument. Your contribution is public, your weakness is private.

Let me give an example: The local kid socker team is organizing a cup, and the parrents need to help organizing, making and selling cookies, etc. This is organized through an app, where you sign up for tasks, and everyone can see what you are commiting to contribute. The same team also have an arrangement where the(small) membership fee can be waivered if you can't afford it, or you can get help buying equipment(shoes) for your kid. This is handled by you letting the trainer know in private, and he will discretely handle it.

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People in safe countries generally do not worry about kidnappings.

People thought that in France until a public official started to sell tax data to the mafia. Now there is a kidnapping almost everyday. Things can change faster than what you can imagine, and Sweden is not a safe country anymore by the way.

You will not find any reputable source for those statements, sure maybe as opinions. This is the issue here we are talking about facts. I have been able to look up this information for as long as we had a government in Sweden, and it works.

Financial privacy is a complicated subject, could you perhaps agree that there is a use for transparancy?

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Tax data is government data. Government data is public data. Instead of asking "what's the reason for making something public" the question is "what's the reason for making a carveout for some specific data to make it secret"

Government data about private individuals can be considered as private, for privacy reasons. If the government knows that I have a mental disability, should everyone know about it, so they can discriminate me accordingly? What kind of dystopian view of the world is this? Or, if I own crypto, why should the government facilitate the work for criminals?

The Government IS the public. I agree that the public shouldn't necessarily know about your mental disabilities, but then you just shouldn't give this information to the government.

Re: Source code of Swedish e-government services has been leaked

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I think this is good to highlight for non-Scandinavians. Scandinavian countries are extremely open and transparent in a way that might be shocking for Americans. For example, in Norway, I can check nearly anyone's brokerage account holdings, addresses, phone numbers, etc. on public websites. I can in theory look up anyone's tax filings. Personal identification numbers do not tend to be considered private in the same…

Out of curiosity how do you authenticate yourself with government services and finance companies and such? The reason the SSN is considered private is because it's used for authentication. Usually an SSN + one or two pieces of trivially obtainable information is enough to sign up for just about anything in somebody else's name, unless physical documents are required as in the case of a passport.

In Sweden the most useful and supported way means that you need this.

1. An identification approved by the EU. You get this from the national Police. (A government agency)

2. An SSN which is your birthday and four extea digits. E.g. 1212121212 is a valid "PNR", you get this from the Tax agency

3. A bank account (you need 1 and 2)

4. A patched Android or iPhone.

5. The BankID a app from a company owner by the banks in Sweden.

6. A Certificate downloaded from your bank to you BankID App

7. A PIN to Protect the key in you BankID App.

8. Normal internet connection.

9. A camera on your phone to read QR code on Service Provider webpage for session initionation

When you sign something the app will send lots of metadata to "the Identity Provider" (BankId), e.g. how much root you have on your phone, if you run known malware, your current ip, and your phone HW info. This is used to calculate a score that you as a "service provider" (i.e. banks, government, companies) can choose to ignore (they usually do)

When you as a Customer either sign in or sign you will see a document that you sign maybe "I give you 100SEK", and who you sign that to. You enter you pin or use biometric to aprove.

(Was this better than an LLM.. Yes)

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