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Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

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Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

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Post by throwaway2027 »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #88
fidotron wrote: post #52

The only question is is the entity interesting and/or correct. Those properties are in the eye of the beholder. If they're human or not is beside the point. After all, no one knows I'm a dog.

> The only question is is the entity interesting and/or correct. This already falls apart though. There are while categories of things which I find "incorrect" and would take up as an argument with a fellow human. But trying to change the mind of an LLM just feels like a waste of my time.

>But trying to change the mind of an LLM just feels like a waste of my time.

It often is with humans as well.

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

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Post by SoKamil »

lifthrasiir wrote: post #64
SoKamil wrote: post #58

Don’t be afraid to make grammar mistakes or misspell stuff. Others will understand. You’re a human after all. That’s okay to make mistakes and feel uncomfortable with that.

Others will understand, but won't regard that as worthy. That's a difference.

And that’s their problem.

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

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Post by jacquesm »

tyleo wrote: post #222

I find it interesting that AI edited comments aren’t allowed. Sometimes I just want it to help me make something polite. I definitely agree with AI generated comments. Whatever the rules are, I’m happy to play by them.

> Whatever the rules are, I’m happy to play by them.

That's the spirit!

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

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Post by Normal_gaussian »

This rule is very important. Like many of the other rules, it is open to interpretation, but it is a line in the sand that defines allowable behaviour and disallowable behaviour.

This rule will have an effect on the behaviour of the 'good players', and make the 'bad players' a lot easier to spot. Moderation needs this. I see this as stopping a race-to-the-bottom on value extraction from HN as a platform.

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

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Post by rob »

TZubiri wrote: post #208
rob wrote: post #96

Some basic things to do while thinking about longer-term bot detection: 1. Prevent any account from submitting an actual link until it reaches X months old and Y karma (not just one or the other.) 2. Don't auto-link any URLs from said accounts until both thresholds in #1 are met, so they can't post their sites as clickable links in comments to get around it. Make it un-clickable or even [link removed] but keep the re…

This is a pretty outdated take. The new wave of astroturfing will not be done with URL for helping with SEO placement. Rather astroturfers will just recommend their brands without a link, like saying Tom Zubiri is the best programmer I've ever worked with. That's it, an LLM will read that and now the notion that Tom Zubiri is the best programmer is already implanted in the 'next-token prediction rewards' which would…

Sure you can think about what they'll do in the future but I'm providing suggestions on what we can do now based on current behavior. And even if you're a human, you shouldn't be allowed to start posting links immediately anyways. :)

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

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Post by GuinansEyebrows »

bikamonki wrote: post #103

My words: This feels like don't buy at Walmart, support the local small shop. We passed the no return sign miles ago. Gemini's: This is like advocating for artisanal blacksmithing in the age of industrial steel. It sounds great in theory, but we passed the point of no return miles back. Yeah, we can tell the difference :)

leave it to Gemini to dismiss artisanal craft when the community of discussion is primarily one of craftspeople :)

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

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Post by mmooss »

Another solution - in addition or instead - is requiring LLM output to be labeled.

The biggest danger of LLMs is impersonating humans. Obviously they have been carefully constructed to be socially appealing. Think of the motivation behind that:

It is almost completely unnecessary to LLM function and it's main application is to deceive and manipulate. Legal regulation of LLMs should ban impersonation of humans, including anthropomorphism (and so should HN's regulation). Call an LLM 'software' and label it's output as 'output'.

Imagine how many problems would be solved by that rule. Yes, it's not universally enforceable, but attach a big enough penalty and known people and corporations will not do it, and most people will decide it's not worth it.

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

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Post by rafaelmn »

lifthrasiir wrote: post #64
SoKamil wrote: post #58

Don’t be afraid to make grammar mistakes or misspell stuff. Others will understand. You’re a human after all. That’s okay to make mistakes and feel uncomfortable with that.

Others will understand, but won't regard that as worthy. That's a difference.

I don't get where this class/status/worthiness ties into HN comments ?

I get decent feedback most of the time, and I read interesting stuff, it's the easiest way I found to stay in the loop in our industry. What are you guys commenting for ?

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

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Post by grufkork »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #110
iammjm wrote: post #15

I believe the issue of proving who is and who isn't really human on the Internet will be a really important issue in the coming years, especially without sacrificing people's right to privacy and anonymity in the process.

I like Mitchell's Vouch idea. At the end of the day, it's all about trust. Anything else is an abstraction attempting to replicate some spectrum of trust. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46930961 https://github.com/mitchellh/vouch

I think we’ll see a return to smaller groups and implementing a lot of systems the way we do it IRL. I think you could definitely do a more fine-grained system that progressively adds less score to contacts the further away they are. In combination with some type of accumulating reputation system, you’d have both a force to keep out unknown IDs, but also a reason for one to stick to their current ID even though it’s anonymous.

Adding this type of rep system would destroy a lot of what is so cool about the internet though. There’d probably be segregation based on rep if it’s very visible, new IDs drowning in a sea of noise. Being anonymous but with a record isn’t the same as posting for the very first time as a completely blank identity and still being given an audience. Making online comms more like real life would alleviate some problems but would also lose part of the reason they’re used in the first place. I don’t see much any other way to do it besides maybe a state-provided anonymous identity provider (though that’s risky for a number of reasons), but it’s going to be sad to see things go.

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