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Create value for others and don’t worry about the returns

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Re: Create value for others and don’t worry about the returns

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Post by mike_hearn »

deaux wrote: post #207
mike_hearn wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't say otherwise. It generates more wealth now than in the past and that is still far from sufficient for its government to afford its current levels of welfare spending.

You did imply it, that in the past the same welfare was affordable that now no longer is, because its economy apparently doesn't generate enough wealth.

The UK doesn't have the same welfare as in the past. It's gives out vastly more money for more reasons than it did when the system was new, and it has a far greater proportion of the population receiving it.

Also, the UK's economy stopped growing in 2008.

Re: Create value for others and don’t worry about the returns

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Post by ap99 »

mentalgear wrote: post #215
peepee1982 wrote: post #174

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Sound like a description of Elon and the X fanboys firehose.

You don't have to be a fanboy to respect outcomes.

He's got a winning track record. You may not agree with his politics or his morals but that's separate from his effectiveness.

Specifically he's effective at stepping outside the domain he currently operates into create inside another.

Re: Create value for others and don’t worry about the returns

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Post by MadxX79 »

georgehotz wrote: post #197
bananaflag wrote: post #170

> Always has been, and if you paid attention in CS class, you know the limits of those things. I don't remember ever learning a theorem stating that computers cannot surpass humans.

Haha that's not what the post (or the post it links to) says. Every CS student should know there's no free lunch in search and optimization. There's tradeoffs between random search, evolutionary algorithms, and convex optimization. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_free_lunch_in_search_and_op... There's an AI "smell" to things that are generated. Why is that? Mode collapse is impossible to see from a small number of s…

I get what you're saying, but I remember watching teletubbies back in the days with my nephew, and all questions of the form:

Have ____ surpassed teletubbies?

Can always be answered in the affirmative.

Re: Create value for others and don’t worry about the returns

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Post by fragmede »

Obscurity4340 wrote: post #216
fragmede wrote: post #195

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I'll come out and get kicked out of communism club to say that I don't support UBI on the basic fact that money is exchanged for goods and services is just so foundational that I can't support UBI. I think everybody should have a roof over their heads and 3 square meals a day, but UBI isn't the way to get there.

Well what is then? Respectfully, please have an alternative or otherwise how is this not astroturfing

Astroturfing? If I don't have an alternative, I'm secretly being paid by "them" to tear down UBI? Who would "them" even be? How would that even work?

Anyway, subsidized jobs programs is my answer. Pay people to do jobs. Plant trees! There's so many places that could use some reforesting. There's no shortage of work to do.

Re: Create value for others and don’t worry about the returns

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Post by s_dev »

10xDev wrote: post #179

You will get laid off but you won't if you create value and you will create value if you don't care about money and it will go recursive but it won't go recursive because there are limits. It won't change anything but it will change everything. No one knows what he is actually saying (see comments) but at least he managed to compress the entire discourse on AI impact into a blog post.

301.9K Followers

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Is this guy just paying bots to upvote and promote his stuff?

Re: Create value for others and don’t worry about the returns

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Post by swiftcoder »

ap99 wrote: post #232
mentalgear wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sound like a description of Elon and the X fanboys firehose.

You don't have to be a fanboy to respect outcomes. He's got a winning track record. You may not agree with his politics or his morals but that's separate from his effectiveness. Specifically he's effective at stepping outside the domain he currently operates into create inside another.

> He's got a winning track record

What exactly would that be a winning track record in - as near as I can tell, his actual track record is in buying companies with an already-successful product team, and managing not to run them into the ground for a while?

Re: Create value for others and don’t worry about the returns

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Post by [deleted] »

ap99 wrote: post #232
mentalgear wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sound like a description of Elon and the X fanboys firehose.

You don't have to be a fanboy to respect outcomes. He's got a winning track record. You may not agree with his politics or his morals but that's separate from his effectiveness. Specifically he's effective at stepping outside the domain he currently operates into create inside another.

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Re: Create value for others and don’t worry about the returns

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Post by auggierose »

sfn42 wrote: post #227
JonChesterfield wrote: post #201

This is a trap for engineers. If you don't worry about the returns, you won't get any. There are circumstances where that is fine. Be sure you're in one of them first.

I just do my job to the best of my ability. If I can help a colleague I do. I don't expect to get explicitly credited for everything I do. If my employer can't see or don't care about the value I bring, I simply go to one who values me higher. I refuse to participate in office politics and that kind of BS.

If you are employed, by definition you have outsourced the worries about the return on the value you create to your employer.

Re: Create value for others and don’t worry about the returns

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Post by zetanor »

XorNot wrote: post #181
cpursley wrote: post #135

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I think there’s a strong bias towards hacking and cool side projects from the hackernews crowd. But I’m not so sure much of the general population would use their free time afforded by UBI for productive and useful endeavors. At least from my observations there’s a significant portion of the population that uses their free time to be idle and veg in front of the TV and/or get wasted. My concern with UBI, even if it w…

Wouldn't convincing the criminal part of the population to just stay home be a net win? Policing and prisons are both notably more expensive then welfare.

I wouldn't be satisfied with my share of UBI. I'd want yours, too.
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