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Online age-verification tools for child safety are surveilling adults

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Re: Online age-verification tools for child safety are surveilling adults

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The EU is rolling out the EUDI system this year where citizens can verify their age (>16, >18, >21) without revealing any personal information. This is a solved problem over there.

Doesn't the act of notifying >16 today and >18 tomorrow leak birthdates?

Not unless you actually meant 1618 tomorrow.

You can be 30 and verify >16 today and >18 tomorrow, obviously without being 18.

Re: Online age-verification tools for child safety are surveilling adults

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Man... How did yall white Westerners turn out to be the weakest people in the world? You were supposed to be the bastions of freedom and justice, and the rest of the world begrudgingly admired you for that and were slowly improving to become like you, but ever since 9/11/2001 the rich old people that rule you have been feeding you boogeymen to make you their complacent b*tches and you lay down and crawl along and acc…

Whether these systems are a good idea is still very much being debated

Re: Online age-verification tools for child safety are surveilling adults

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Man... How did yall white Westerners turn out to be the weakest people in the world? You were supposed to be the bastions of freedom and justice, and the rest of the world begrudgingly admired you for that and were slowly improving to become like you, but ever since 9/11/2001 the rich old people that rule you have been feeding you boogeymen to make you their complacent b*tches and you lay down and crawl along and acc…

I appreciate you saying this. It gets SO OLD having everything in society dominated by "think of the children" rationales that basically translate to "increasing authority and further-reduced freedom", with a spicy dash of omnipresent surveillance.

Yeah unfortunately I suspect the authoritarian surveillance is the whole point. Protecting children is obviously not a priority for the Epstein class.

Re: Online age-verification tools for child safety are surveilling adults

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Never provide such information. Forge it if you must

Companies have lost our data so many times with lost penalties. Anybody remember Cambridge Analytica? Hell no company is getting my personal data.

Not sending your ID to remote server is intuitively correct. What if they will force you to do it though?

Is your wallet big enough to afford to say no and unplug? Mine is but what about the 99%?

Re: Online age-verification tools for child safety are surveilling adults

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which is nothing in comparison to leaking all of personal information you can also introduce some jitter like changing age range only once a week/month/year for everyone

Birthday, zip code and gender is enough to uniquely identify most Americans.

Well don't reveal your birthday then. Wait 5 days to confirm >18.

If you run into a liquor store yelling "Im finally 18, here's proof." that's on you?

Re: Online age-verification tools for child safety are surveilling adults

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> An FTC spokesperson told CNBC that companies must limit how collected information is used. [...] The agency pointed to existing rules requiring firms to retain personal information only as long as reasonably necessary and to safeguard its confidentiality and integrity. the very same rules that have allowed literally every single piece of my data to be leaked several separate times, and now i have free credit monito…

On the credit card point though, cards don't work perfectly as age verification either. Plenty of minors can access prepaid cards or family cards

Re: Online age-verification tools for child safety are surveilling adults

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Did I miss a memo on Linux somehow requiring age verification now? How would that even work?

There was some proposal from California or something to require OSs to enforce age verification, it was discussed in some other thread.

For what it's worth, the "verification" in the California law (not a bill, it's already passed and takes effect 2027) is basically the Steam birthdate popup interstitial. There's explicitly no actual link to any outside information, just requiring that the system save a value the user sets and then that apps use that value for any age gating.

Re: Online age-verification tools for child safety are surveilling adults

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> China has much lower crime, cheaper healthcare and is making progress in other aspects. China is also a horrifying place to live unless you are content just to participate quietly in society and never put a political sign in your yard or even just talk about the wrong thing with your friend in a private WeChat. https://reclaimthenet.org/china-man-chair-interrogation-soci...

I don't see much difference these days. Substitute wechat for X and that's the US for anyone non-white.

I'm hallucinating whenever I see an election sign in non-white's yard I guess

Re: Online age-verification tools for child safety are surveilling adults

#239
Don't give them an inch. The US defense budget is $1T. They can't spend it all on surveillance, but let's say the tech companies and the government spends that much every year combined. Our victory condition is to increase the cost of surveillance and deanonymization to >$10K per person per year, which is very doable. Every little habit and precaution you take against online tracking will raise the cost, probably a lot more than you think. Spreading the word multiplies that. Every open-source program and protocol spec that aims to decentralize and anonymize is like an incinerator for the surveillance dollars. And if you're more competent than that, you may consider following in the footsteps of Daniel Bernstein or Edward Snowden and make some trillion-dollar dents.

Anonymous and uncensored information exchange can prevent the vast majority of violent conflicts and shorten the necessary ones. Most violence in human history could have been prevented if every human being had 1) the ability to telepathically communicate with anyone else in the world without being eavesdropped, and 2) the ability to broadcast information anonymously to all of humanity in real-time. I will leave the details of why for you to deduce. These things are within reach right now for the first time in history. So we can and should build the decentralized web, and democratize the entire computing supply chain all the way down to chip fabbing and electricity generation. It is the greatest unrealized potential of the Internet, and we mustn't cede ground to ensure the path to that future remains open.

Re: Online age-verification tools for child safety are surveilling adults

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see much difference these days. Substitute wechat for X and that's the US for anyone non-white.

I'm hallucinating whenever I see an election sign in non-white's yard I guess

If you think China is some mass surveillance state where every single yard of dissent is carpet bombed: yes, I can see why you think that way.

Just like the US, it can take a whike for thr CCP to get around to every individual. It's a large country. Your mistake is thinking that that's the line it has to get to before we can compare a country to China/Russia.

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