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Re: Uploading Pirated Books via BitTorrent Qualifies as Fair Use, Meta Argues

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Post by comfysocks »

mindslight wrote: post #178
armchairhacker wrote: post #68

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LLMs make pirated art more accessible, and 2005 pirates allegedly harmed artists by decreasing their sales. The significant change is that 2025 corpo pirates are big corporations, and 2005 personal pirates are individuals. And I think the larger issue is that the big corpo pirates get away with what 2025 personal pirates wouldn’t. Anyways, my opinion is that we should get rid of IP, but only with a replacement that e…

> LLMs make pirated art more accessible lol. The current "AI" industry is in the development phase where the surveillance industry was from 2000-2010 or so. After they're done getting everyone reliant on their products (including giving away many for free), and having installed their regulatory mote, they'll really start tightening the enshittification noose. The original argument is fallacious because it ignores thi…

Can you imagine the targeted ads we’ll have when they do deep psychological fingerprinting off of chats from AI therapists, AI girlfriends/boyfriends, etc?!

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Post by otterley »

qingcharles wrote: post #155
dotancohen wrote: post #91

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It has been often said that a man who represents himself in court has a fool for a client.

Judges often roll this line out, but in criminal court I've seen some defendants get epic deals by going without a lawyer [0] since absolutely nobody in the justice system wants to deal with the guy who has no idea what he's doing and is going to make the most bizarre arguments about being a sovereign citizen. So they give them a really low offer and get them on their way as quickly as possible. [0] I don't like to s…

> So they give them a really low offer and get them on their way as quickly as possible.

With a guilty plea. They don’t walk away without a conviction.

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Post by otterley »

tliltocatl wrote: post #197
themafia wrote: post #138

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We support copyright reform not piracy. The reason we do is because corporate giants have weaponized the system for their own ends and not for our useful promotion of the arts and sciences. So.. I don't think it's appropriate for billion dollar companies to abuse copyrighted authored material for their own profit streams. They have the money. They can either pay or not use the material.

The only copyright reform I support is abolishing this abomination altogether.

I assume you do not write software to earn a living?

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Post by tliltocatl »

otterley wrote: post #233
tliltocatl wrote: post #197

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The only copyright reform I support is abolishing this abomination altogether.

I assume you do not write software to earn a living?

I do. And I get paid because I write it fulfill to the customer's need that's not covered by an existing solution, not because some law prevents using what already exists.

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Post by justsomehnguy »

petre wrote: post #171
DaSHacka wrote: post #145

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Did they not? Seems like they're still quite popular, and I knew people in HS (for reference, late 2010s to early '20s) that were big into the band. Additionally, looking at Google Trends[0], it seems they peaked in 21st-century online popularity in 2008 and had another notable uptick in 2017. I think a lot of us want the assholes to have suffered real consequences for their behavior, but want is different from did .…

Yeah, they're popular like Ariana Grande is after the Manchester bombing. But just about everything they released after the Black album is kind of lame. The Budapest tickets sold out pretty fast, but they're still lame regardless if people go to their concerts. Compared to Depeche Mode and other bands that only get better with age, Metallica just play the same old songs or worse. And they're not a cult band like Deat…

>> Compared to Depeche Mode and other bands that only get better with age, Metallica just play the same old songs or worse

Hah!

COuple of years ago I was sipping beer in some local bar and there were some music video running on a TV. Aged angsty men with an "AMERICA YEAH bald eagle screech" vocals and visuals. "What a lame Metallica copycats" I thought. And then the title card shown up...

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Post by gzread »

harimau777 wrote: post #190
WalterBright wrote: post #177

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> rock bottom pricing Value is not set by what you put into it, it is set by what people are willing to pay for it. Browsing in a thrift store can be very enlightening!

> Value is not set by what you put into it, it is set by what people are willing to pay for it. What do you base that belief upon?

It's axiomatic - it's the definition of value.

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Post by gzread »

lukan wrote: post #213
gzread wrote: post #101

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In reality the system in these countries is pure corruption. The beneficiaries are large corporations who see it as an extra revenue stream and that's it.

Not completely. I know some french musicians who are great artists, but are not mainstream enough to sell enough records - and they do get state money to continue their art (progressive/psychedelic music, nothing tame).

Does it come from the hard drive tax though?

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Post by archagon »

j-bos wrote: post #47
lukan wrote: post #2

The world has become so strange. In my pirate youth, I would have never imagined the big companies to argue in courts like this, basically pro piracy. And the activists are now against it, because the big guys are doing it.

The activists seem to be so blinded by disdain they can't even consider the value of the precedent if it goes theough.

Somehow I doubt the precedent will apply to common folk. There will be some obscene carevout like “piracy fair use for corporations training frontier models” and we’ll be even worse off than we were before.

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Post by Aerroon »

cmiles74 wrote: post #102
PLenz wrote: post #76

This is the real reason the ultra rich are buying media companies. They expect the existing copyright laws to prevail in court and to either make significant revenue licensing IP for training or to take large stakes in AI companies in return for the IP. Only data is a moat, not algos, not compute.

Seems like a bad bet to me. It looks like authors are going to lose this case setting the precedent that you not only don’t need to license training data, obtaining it illegally (for free) is totally okay.

Didn't Anthropic's case already set the precedent that training itself is fine? It's not like copyrighted novels are a large portion of human-generated text data. It's just the stuff that's easier to get because it's preserved in bulk.

Video transcription has more or less been solved. Imagine how much data Google has in YouTube transcripts. And the longer these AI chat bots operate the more data they manage to collect for training as well (I think Google making it so you can easily upvote or downvote a response by the bot is a good idea).

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Post by 7speter »

kristofferR wrote: post #164
dizzy9 wrote: post #35

Some of us are old enough to remember when the RIAA sued children for downloading Metallica albums on filesharing networks. They sued for $100,000 per song, an absurd amount when you consider that even stealing a physical album would amount only to around $1 per song. What was bizarre was that courts took the figure seriously, even if they typically settled cases for around $3,000, still around 30x actual damages. Th…

Yeah, but remember how joyful we'd have been if copyright had been this weak in 2003. As long as this flows down to regular people instead of just corps, then copyright won't halt societal development as much as previously anymore. The weakening of copyright is a great thing. Just step back into space. Pretend you're so high that you can see your own person from outside yourself, like you are the CCTV camera in the c…

Sure, it can flow down to regular people now, because regular people don’t have access to 10s of millions of dollars to train a trillion parameter llm…
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