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US tech firms pledge at White House to bear costs of energy for datacenters

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> These things are CLEARLY NOT POPULAR Time to leave whatever bubble you live in. These are some of the most popular apps on the market today. It's incredibly popular.

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You're projecting so hard that Epson is going to reach out and ask you how you're accomplishing it

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The system optimized for these people. So you get some guy approving some megacorps project because "well it says here that they've tested the stuff and the liquid mercury is below the It must be nice to live in a desert state where every 3rd parcel isn't "within regulatory range" of "wetlands" (most people don't know how expansive that word is).

trust me, this happens even in dense, deep blue places like Seattle and LA.

I never said it didn't.

Something something the more numerous the laws...

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Democratize means to make something available to everyone. I suppose the root of the word is from democracy, everyone gets a vote/equal rights, but the meaning doesn't really have anything to do with politics or government... So to reframe my argument for clarity; I have a hard time coming up with an honest critique of why giving everyone incredibly cheap access (often free!) to incredibly powerful LLMs is somehow ev…

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> No that is not what democratize means, how asinine.

You're wrong, and are getting upset with GP over your own lack of vocabulary.

> democratize (verb)

> [...]

> 2. [+ object] formal : to make (something) available to all people : to make it possible for all people to understand (something)

> * The magazine's goal is to democratize art.

https://www.britannica.com/dictionary/democratize

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I've seen Musk note in an interview that at year-end the bottleneck will not be CPU/RAM etc, but electricity. And new powerplants are backlogged for years. That's why he wants to go into space (10x solar potential because you don't have a day/night cycle, no clouds, no dust/rain, no temperature loss, no orientation issues, and no atmosphere reducing solar). To me it seems ridiculous, for one because sending 150kg to…

The point of your whole argument is that “financial experts” are always rational and are not affected by bubbles, it took months from energy experts talking with media/investors to the Big Tech would start talking about “energy crisis”. In fact, Nadella publicly stated that he has a large amount of hardware in inventory that has already been purchased but cannot be utilized due to insufficient energy.

So why did Nadella not pour a few billion into buying the 50% capacity that the average coal/gas plant has spare, that they're not running due to insufficient demand?

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The training data commons is to AI what oil reserves are to petroleum economies: a collectively generated resource of immense commercial value. Every book written, every forum post answered, every photo shared, every line of code contributed... billions of people built the knowledge base that makes these models work. Without that collective human output, AI is nothing. Alaska and Norway understood something critical…

> Alaska and Norway understood something critical when oil was discovered: if you don't assert collective ownership of the resource before private companies capture all the value, you never will. Alaska amended its constitution. Norway built the largest sovereign wealth fund on earth. Both were acts of people saying "this belongs to us, and we deserve a return on its extraction."

This is also true for the first commercially exploited natural gas fields in the world, in the Netherlands. This ruined the Dutch manufacturing industry, and became a textbook example of tge development of one sector harming others known as Dutch disease [].

AI has a great potential like this too..

[] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_disease

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You can only use each barrel of oil once, so it is not remotely the same thing. It's like torrenting a movie vs stealing someone's car. My labor has been compensated and nothing has been extracted.

How is an author fairly compensated when you torrent their book? Should we just stop paying for media because it's infinitely reproducible? Nothing physical is being stolen when a company makes a clone of a product based on another company's designs, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't have patent laws.

Purely anecdotal I know of a fair few creatives who ultimately are just happy people enjoy their works and don't really care how they're getting it. I understand that's a privileged attitude in the current world as they are all living relatively comfortable lives but at least philosophically I agree with it. We as humans have done a lot to reduce scarcity for a great deal many things but we still cling to it as an idea because of stubbornness and greed.

Maybe I'll get labeled a 'commie' for saying all this but I think we create a world where everyones needs are met and things(information & media are the easiest imo) are freely available. Thinking we can't do this is a bit of a disservice to the capabilities of humans.

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If it's slop, why do they pay for it? I mean, raise you hand if you have never paid for AI "slop", I see maybe a hand or two in this room of tens of thousands. It's a strawman to frame it as AI labs get everything and society gets nothing. Bruh, the fastest growing applications of all time didn't explode in popularity because they "offer nothing of value". I'm not giving you an argument, I'm giving you a reality chec…

>If it's slop, why do they pay for it?

Fast food sells like crazy even though everyone largely agrees it's not the best. People aren't always rational with their purchases.

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You're projecting so hard that Epson is going to reach out and ask you how you're accomplishing it

I'll be glad to accept my normal consulting retainer from such a prestigious company

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That's not snarky at all, that's exactly the point. They did get it both ways. The comment I was responding to argued that ownership of non-physical things is basically a "polite lie" and that information is just entropy that belongs to whoever can capture it. My point was that the AI companies clearly don't believe that when it applies to them. They patent their architectures, copyright their outputs, sue competitor…

I mean, the AI companies want it this way, but the same laws of information apply to them too. They can patent whatever they want, but as we see other nations use their models to distill information to other models with almost nothing they can do about it. Patents, copyright, lawsuits are all post ad hoc actions which mean the milk has already been stolen. And it only works if the rule of law is something that is res…

This is interesting. As a naive user I’ve gotten the gut feeling of commoditization among the models. I assumed the data center capacity push is intended to be the differentiator but that still seems utility-like over time. (and the data centers in space concept seems like good PR and IR, but to me, technically… ambitious)
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