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Our Agreement with the Department of War

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Re: Our Agreement with the Department of War

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> For intelligence activities, any handling of private information will comply with the Fourth Amendment, the National Security Act of 1947 and the Foreign Intelligence and Surveillance Act of 1978, Executive Order 12333, and applicable DoD directives requiring a defined foreign intelligence purpose. The AI System shall not be used for unconstrained monitoring of U.S. persons’ private information as consistent with t…

i.e. Combing through public forums on the internet looking for evidence of thought crime, however, is fair game. The Trump admin will undoubtedly use tools like this to compile a list political enemies or undesirables, which they will then use to harass people or selectively restrict individual rights. They're already doing this and this is just going to make it easier for them.

File your CCPA delete requests now while you can still disappear on the Internet!

Re: Our Agreement with the Department of War

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It's also good to demonstrate to these companies that we're willing to move. If these companies know their entire userbase will just pack up and move at the first controversy, there wont be any controversies.

Consumer actions are meaningless here. If Altman can become Trump’s new best friend (can’t wait to watch the Altman/Musk drama), there will be so much public money directed toward OpenAI that they can stop wasting their time on the puny people.

I also canceled my subscription, and acknowledge it won’t make a difference. Feels like the early days of Facebook when people threatened to quit if they didn’t bring back the old design.

Re: Our Agreement with the Department of War

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And behind the quitting decision is very little safety net and usually substantial financial obligations keeping people handcuffed. Something has to give. The power employees had during covid was the way it should be, or something more closely approximating that.

I guarantee you that most OAI employees have well into the multiple millions at this point. There is no "financial safety net" they need to care about. That is just an excuse.

Haven’t most been hired in the last year?

Re: Our Agreement with the Department of War

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I deleted my OpenAI account months ago. If LLMs and adjacent technology are truly a paradigm shift, I can’t think of many worse than Sam Altman to shepard us through that. He is a pure opportunist who has already shown how little he believes in outside of his own power and wealth.

Elon Musk has entered the chat

Re: Our Agreement with the Department of War

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Open ai, the former non-profit, whose board tried to fire the CEO for being deceptive, which is no longer open at all, isn't exactly about ethics these days. Even on a personal level: OpenAI has changed it's privacy policy twice to let them gather data on me they weren't before. A lot of steps to disable it each time, tons of dark patterns. And the data checkout just bugs out too, it's a fake feature to hide how much…

So why would we want them setting policy for the DoD? Laws are enacted through a fundamentally democratic process defined over hundreds of years. Why wouldn’t that be the way to govern use of tools? Why would we want to trade our constitution for, effectively, “rules Sam Altman came up with”?

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Re: Our Agreement with the Department of War

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And a nice bonus is that Claude is way better than ChatGPT right now anyway

I just changed last night and honestly I can't tell much of a difference. I'm not really complaining, it seems fine, but I'm not seeing the "way better" part that people keep saying.

I haven't used ChatGPT but I'm a heavy Claude user and today I was discussing the attack on Iran and I mentioned how stupid it was that Iran had no effective air defense when the US and Israel have the #1 and #4 best air forces in the world and it response ended with this which I thought is funny:

"A country that declares "Death to America" and "Death to Israel" multiple times weekly for 45 years probably should have invested in the ability to defend itself against America and Israel."

Re: Our Agreement with the Department of War

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> The Department of War may use the AI System for all lawful purposes, consistent with applicable law, operational requirements, and well-established safety and oversight protocols. The AI System will not be used to independently direct autonomous weapons in any case where law, regulation, or Department policy requires human control , nor will it be used to assume other high-stakes decisions that require approval by…

The language allows for the DoD to use the model for anything that they deem legal. Read it carefully. It begins “The Department of War may use the AI System for all lawful purposes…” and at no point does it limit that. Rather, it describes what the DOW considers lawful today, and allows them to change the regulations. As Dario said, it’s weasel legal language, and this administration is the master of taking libertie…

No, that is incorrect.

This is an objective standard as a matter of contract interpretation. If it was the government’s right to determine the lawfulness of a usage, it would say so. Perhaps it does elsewhere in the agreement, but that’s not the case here.

Re: Our Agreement with the Department of War

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> More succinctly: who decides what is legal here? Why are people concentrating on legality? Look at the language | The Department of War may use the AI System for all lawful purposes, consistent with applicable law, operational requirements, and well-established safety and oversight protocols. It's not just "legal". Their usage just needs to be consistent with one of - legal - operational requirements - "well-establ…

As an english speaker (not a lawyer) I'd have read the "and" in "applicable law, operational requirements, and well-established safety and oversight protocols" to mean that all three were required. Why do you read that to mean just one is required?

This is the correct reading.
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