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Re: Will vibe coding end like the maker movement?

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Post by noelsusman »

jmull wrote: post #64

> The central promise—that distributed digital fabrication would bring manufacturing back to America, that every city would have micro-factories, that 3D printing would decentralize production—simply didn’t materialize. I never heard that. It didn’t seem like 3D-printing ever showed sings of displacing existing ways of manufacturing at scale, did it? Units per hour and dollars per unit was never its strength. It was…

The people who did best during the gold rush were the people who went out and were lucky enough to find stockpiles of gold.

Re: Will vibe coding end like the maker movement?

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Post by wolpoli »

jpadkins wrote: post #119
tcoff91 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And the explosion in software produced with AI by lay-people will mean that those with offensive security skills, who can crack and exploit software systems, will have incredible power over others.

are you sure that AI generated code will be more vulnerable than a median software engineer? Why?

I believe the security vulnerability issues will be addressed with companies using cloud based vibe-code platform or a ai security auditor agent that runs through the code base and flags security issues.

Re: Will vibe coding end like the maker movement?

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Post by Petersipoi »

LastTrain wrote: post #53
itunpredictable wrote: post #2

The author of this article gives a more balanced POV than mine. I think most (maybe overwhelming majority) of publicized vibe coding projects are complete technical virtue signaling.

I’m no fan of vibe coding but I usually find that people who use the term virtue signaling have none and hate those that do.

I hope the irony of your comment isn't lost on you

Re: Will vibe coding end like the maker movement?

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Post by keybored »

stavros wrote: post #74

I don't know about anyone else, but since vibe coding, I'm making more things than I've ever made before. Just a constant stream of making, all day. Couldn't be happier. I make things because I want to see them exist, not because it was hard.

And I make visualizations by watching TV every day. My visual cortex just has a constant stream of making visualizations all day.

All these maker types dropping that differentiator immediately in the name of pragmatism.

Re: Will vibe coding end like the maker movement?

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Post by slopinthebag »

Bombthecat wrote: post #225
gtowey wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, it's like saying that the amateur rocketry guys on youtube are going to replace NASA.

Good example! 90 percent ( or even more) of code do not need NASA level code. Vibe coding is good enough. Just like a five dollar t shirt is enough for many many people

The vibe coders wish they could produce the equivalent of a $5 teeshirt. Or they think they are because they don't have the ability to tell.

Re: Will vibe coding end like the maker movement?

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Post by the_af »

tayo42 wrote: post #33
saberience wrote: post #13

My general take on most vibe coding projects ("Hey, look, I built this over the weekend"), is general dismissiveness. Mostly because of the effort required, i.e. why should I care about something that someone did with almost zero effort, a few prompts? If someone tells me they ran a marathon, I'm impressed because I know that took work. If someone tells me they jogged 100 meters, I don't care at all (unless they were…

Do people build to impress with an implementation that no one cares about really? Or to share the end product? I think now you are freed up to make a shooter that people will actually want to play. Or at least attempt it. We probably need to come to terms with the idea that no one cares about those details. Really, 2 years ago no one would have cared about your hand crafted 3d shooter either I think.

> I think now you are freed up to make a shooter that people will actually want to play. Or at least attempt it.

Taking this to an extreme, let's say vibe coding becomes real enough, and frictionless enough, that you can prompt a first person shooter into existence in a few minutes or hours.

If/when this becomes true, nobody will want to play your shooter. You'll share your shooter with people and if they care at all about shooters, they'll just go prompt their favorite AI tool and conjure their own into existence.

Admittedly this is a bit extreme, and we aren't there yet. But I've thought about this in relation to art, and how some people now go "well, this empowers people who didn't know how to make a movie/cartoon/painting/game, it's empowering and democratizing". But in my mind, art is a form of communication between humans. Without the exchange between humans, art cannot exist. If all of us are each lost in our own AI-powered projects, and if anything can be easily conjured out of thin air, then why bother with the next person's art project (game or whatever)? I don't care about your game, let me make my own in a few minutes.

I'm thinking about potential counterpoints: ah, yes, but it's about "ideas". While we can both make our ideas reality, my ideas are more inventive, so my AI-powered projects are more appealing. I'm not convinced about this; I think slop will dominate and invade public spaces, but also... why draw the line at ideas? Why is "skill with a pencil" replaceable with AI-slop, but ideas aren't? Ideas are often overrated, what matters is execution, anyway.

Re: Will vibe coding end like the maker movement?

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Post by the_af »

dolebirchwood wrote: post #146
movedx01 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't matter, neither of those scenarios makes the effort impressive in this case. The vibe coded thing might even be useful - that does not make it impressive though. Effort does.

> The vibe coded thing might even be useful - that does not make it impressive though. Then "impressive" shouldn't even be the benchmark. If someone gifted me $10K, I'm not going to care if they earned it in a competition or won it in a lottery. Value is value. I'm gratefully accepting it and not being snobby about it. I couldn't care less about how "impressive" anything is if it's useful to me.

But "impressive" is not a benchmark, it's a human reaction. I care about being impressed, as do many people.

Re: Will vibe coding end like the maker movement?

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Post by analog31 »

jmull wrote: post #64

> The central promise—that distributed digital fabrication would bring manufacturing back to America, that every city would have micro-factories, that 3D printing would decentralize production—simply didn’t materialize. I never heard that. It didn’t seem like 3D-printing ever showed sings of displacing existing ways of manufacturing at scale, did it? Units per hour and dollars per unit was never its strength. It was…

There was certainly a contingent who believed that 3d printing was going to replace all other forms of manufacturing. It was even going to make custom food for us on order.

If you balked at the idea, then you were the bad guy, or treated with pity for being so out of touch. Usually you got the Kubler-Ross Stages thrown at you.

Re: Will vibe coding end like the maker movement?

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Post by leptons »

Bombthecat wrote: post #225
gtowey wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, it's like saying that the amateur rocketry guys on youtube are going to replace NASA.

Good example! 90 percent ( or even more) of code do not need NASA level code. Vibe coding is good enough. Just like a five dollar t shirt is enough for many many people

If 90% of code is for hobbies that don't cost anyone anything when it breaks, great - but launching rockets into space with million or billion dollar payloads is akin to software that makes millions or billions of dollars, and vibeslop is simply a liability at best in any real use case past a weekend hobby project.
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