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Re: This time is different

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Post by andoando »

segfaultex wrote: post #223
johnfn wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not interested in getting into some argument about who has "more knowledge in the subject matter". I'm genuinely curious: do you think Opus 4.6 hallucinates just as much as GPT-3.5?

Yes. I see it hallucinate method names for 3rd party libraries constantly. It’s useful, but when users here say they’re vibe coding 98% of their work, I have to think they’re not working on anything complex.

Hmm no way. Ive used to see hallucinations like 50% of the time prompting gpt3.5 for simple functions.

I don't remember the last time ive seen a made up library/methods these days and Im definitely using way more for more complex stuff. The tool calling changed the game.

Even for work I do almost 100% of my coding telling claude what to do. I mean I break down the tasks and tell it more or less exactly what I want but I find "rename this thing across these two repos" easier than doing it myself

Re: This time is different

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Post by mbgerring »

rogerrogerr wrote: post #228
massysett wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, and despite every single one of these world-changing inventions, people in rich countries still go to work every day, even though UBI is generally not a thing. People claim AI will eliminate large numbers of jobs. Maybe it will, just like the tractor did. But new jobs are created. I would never have guessed that “influencer” would be a thing! This current “AI will destroy all the jobs and make most people useles…

This argument is the one that shook me, I’m curious if you think there’s any merit to it: Humans have essentially three traits we can use to create value: we can do stuff in the physical world through strength and dexterity, and we can use our brains to do creative, knowledge, or otherwise “intelligent” work. (Note by “dexterity” I mean “things that humans are better at than physical robots because of our shape and n…

No one is hired to swing a hammer? What world do you live in?

Re: This time is different

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Post by libraryofbabel »

massysett wrote: post #219
esperent wrote: post #167

> 3D TV, AMP, Augmented Reality, Beanie Babies, Blockchain, Cartoon Avatars, Curved TVs, Frogans, Hoverboards, iBeacons, Jetpacks, Metaverse, NFTs, Physical Web, Quantum Computing, Quibi, Small and Safe Nuclear Reactors, Smart Glasses, Stadia, WiMAX. Agreed, these things all failed to live up to the hype. But these didn't: Electricity, cheap computing, calculators, photography, the internet, the steam engine, the pri…

Yes, and despite every single one of these world-changing inventions, people in rich countries still go to work every day, even though UBI is generally not a thing. People claim AI will eliminate large numbers of jobs. Maybe it will, just like the tractor did. But new jobs are created. I would never have guessed that “influencer” would be a thing! This current “AI will destroy all the jobs and make most people useles…

Ex historian here, now engineer. I would gently suggest you’re underestimating the magnitude of some of the transformations wrought by the technologies that OP mentioned for the people that lived through them. Particularly for the steam engine and the broader Industrial Revolution around 1800: not for nothing have historians called that the greatest transformation in human life recorded in written documents.

If you think, hey but people had a “job” in 1700, and they had a “job” in 1900, think again. Being a peasant (majority of people in Europe in 1700) and being an urban factory worker in 1900 were fundamentally different ways of life. They only look superficially similar because we did not live the changes ourselves. But read the historical sources enough and you will see.

I would go as far as to say that the peasant in 1700 did not have a “job” at all in the sense that we now understand; they did not work for wages and their relationship to the wider economy was fundamentally different. In some sense industrialization created the era of the “job” as a way for most working-age people to participate in economic life. It’s not an eternal and unchanging condition of things, and it could one day come to an end.

It’s too early to say if AI will be a technology like this, I think. But it may be. Sometimes technologies do transform the texture of human life. And it is not possible to be sure what those will be in the early stages: the first steam engines were extremely inefficient and had very few uses. It took decades for it to be clear that they had, in fact, changed everything. That may be true of AI, or it may not. It is best to be openminded about this.

Re: This time is different

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Post by jgwil2 »

mbgerring wrote: post #232
rogerrogerr wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This argument is the one that shook me, I’m curious if you think there’s any merit to it: Humans have essentially three traits we can use to create value: we can do stuff in the physical world through strength and dexterity, and we can use our brains to do creative, knowledge, or otherwise “intelligent” work. (Note by “dexterity” I mean “things that humans are better at than physical robots because of our shape and n…

No one is hired to swing a hammer? What world do you live in?

They're not hired to swing a hammer hard, they're hired to swing it at the right thing, and if they can't swing it hard enough they pick a different tool.

Re: This time is different

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Post by bandrami »

selridge wrote: post #176
bigstrat2003 wrote: post #166

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> The real debate isn't whether AI is transformative. No, the debate is very much whether AI is transformative. You don't get to smuggle your viewpoint as an assumption as if there was consensus on this point. There isn't consensus at all.

No one is smuggling this in. The debate is over. It's transformative. We're in the midst of transformation.

It's really not over. Somebody has to actually put something into production with it first.

Re: This time is different

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Post by gorgoiler »

rogerrogerr wrote: post #228
massysett wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, and despite every single one of these world-changing inventions, people in rich countries still go to work every day, even though UBI is generally not a thing. People claim AI will eliminate large numbers of jobs. Maybe it will, just like the tractor did. But new jobs are created. I would never have guessed that “influencer” would be a thing! This current “AI will destroy all the jobs and make most people useles…

This argument is the one that shook me, I’m curious if you think there’s any merit to it: Humans have essentially three traits we can use to create value: we can do stuff in the physical world through strength and dexterity, and we can use our brains to do creative, knowledge, or otherwise “intelligent” work. (Note by “dexterity” I mean “things that humans are better at than physical robots because of our shape and n…

I think you are right, but here’s a fun counter-example. I recently bought a new robot* to do some of my housework and yet, at around 200lbs, it required two people to deliver it (strength) get it set up (dexterity) and explain to me how to use it (intelligence).

* https://www.mieleusa.com/product/11614070/w1-front-loading-w...

Re: This time is different

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Post by seertaak »

camillomiller wrote: post #181
seertaak wrote: post #87

To my mind at least, it is different. I lean heavily on AI for both admin and coding tasks. I just filled out a multipage form to determine my alimony payments in Germany. Gemini was an absolute godsend, helping answer questions in, translate to English, draft explanations, emails requesting time extensions to the Jugendamt case worker. This is super scary stuff for an ADHDer like me. I have an idea for a programming…

This comment is scary. You don’t control these technologies, you are growing dependent on stilts that could disappear any moment.

I'd be remiss to point out we went from "LLMs are vaporware" to "people are becoming slaves to their LLMs" awful quick.

> [I'm scared] you are growing dependent on stilts that could disappear any moment.

First, I do control the RTX3070 I own, and that can actually do a pretty decent job nowadays with some of the 3B parameter models.

Second, maybe if people like you showed as much concern for the fact that LGBT people can expect family violence as you do for Dr. Strangelove scenarios, then people like me wouldn't have to lean on LLMs so heavily.

Third, it's hilarious that your response to a comment pointing out how difficult it was to get help from another human without being degraded, was to degrade me by calling me an LLM junkie. Maybe you should be worried that Gemini appears to have more capacity for empathy and self-awareness than you.

Fourth, given that you show absolutely zero concern or willingness to help when it comes to the difficulties faced by LGBT people or ADHDers, my advice to you is to take your fears and shove them up your ass.

Re: This time is different

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Post by jwittmayer »

bandrami wrote: post #235
selridge wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one is smuggling this in. The debate is over. It's transformative. We're in the midst of transformation.

It's really not over. Somebody has to actually put something into production with it first.

Implying that nobody has put AI generated code into production yet?

Re: This time is different

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Post by usrnm »

bandrami wrote: post #235
selridge wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one is smuggling this in. The debate is over. It's transformative. We're in the midst of transformation.

It's really not over. Somebody has to actually put something into production with it first.

I put AI assisted code in production every day, what are you talking about? At this point I don't even doubt I'm going to lose the job eventually, the question is only whether or not I will be able to pay my mortgage off first.

Re: This time is different

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Post by tipperjones »

rogerrogerr wrote: post #228
massysett wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, and despite every single one of these world-changing inventions, people in rich countries still go to work every day, even though UBI is generally not a thing. People claim AI will eliminate large numbers of jobs. Maybe it will, just like the tractor did. But new jobs are created. I would never have guessed that “influencer” would be a thing! This current “AI will destroy all the jobs and make most people useles…

This argument is the one that shook me, I’m curious if you think there’s any merit to it: Humans have essentially three traits we can use to create value: we can do stuff in the physical world through strength and dexterity, and we can use our brains to do creative, knowledge, or otherwise “intelligent” work. (Note by “dexterity” I mean “things that humans are better at than physical robots because of our shape and n…

You said there are three traits, but seems like you only listed two - unless you're counting strength and dexterity as separate and just worded it weirdly.
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