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Discord cuts ties with identity verification software, Persona

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Re: Discord cuts ties with identity verification software, Persona

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Post by overfeed »

bityard wrote: post #127
sznio wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought about the same recently, in the context of the Epstein files. You don't become a billionaire by being moral. Each time you don't do something because it's wrong, you lost opportunity to make more money. You start with smaller things, then your standards slide more and more, until you are a billionaire, and you're so corrupt there isn't anything for you to do except make more money. Which makes me wonder, ho…

If making increasingly immoral decisions is all it takes to be a billionaire... then man, I have truly been wasting my life's potential

Necessary - but not adequate.

Re: Discord cuts ties with identity verification software, Persona

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Post by CivBase »

ethin wrote: post #143

what is such a shame is, well, two things: first, that these companies even do this kind of thing at all (i.e., age verification); and second, that it takes the kind of backlash this event has generated for them to cut ties with these companies. Apparently, it is too much to ask for any corporation to even give a damn about who runs or backs another corporation that they want to associate themselves with these days.

The bigger shame is that it took Peter Theil's name to get people's outraged about this. Discord handed over their users' identifications to a third party without regard for how it would be used or secured. I don't care if it was backed by Peter Theil or Mother Theresa - it's a huge problem either way.

And they'll do it again too. They'll find a new partner - one with less baggage - to do the exact same thing and few people will bat an eye.

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Post by nozzlegear »

john_strinlai wrote: post #182
distortionfield wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not a “maybe”. This administration was collecting lists of people who spoke negatively about ICE from social media like a week ago. you really think they’re going to send them gift baskets or something?

the point rogerrogerr is making is that a government is not going to be tripped up by "teter piel", just like you werent.

SOTA LLMs couldn't even correctly answer whether a person should drive a car to the car wash or walk there themselves just a week ago, so it's plausible the government's tech might be tripped up here. Costs nothing to try it, at least!

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Post by PUSH_AX »

shevy-java wrote: post #142

I am not convinced. Teter Piel (don't want to use the other name) kind of purchased a LOT of influence power via lobbyists. One lobbyist is Sebastian Lurz (also not going to use the real name here; the letter "l" is an in-country humourous take on Lüssel, Lasser and so forth - ex-politicians). The superrich buy influence and worsen the situation for the rest of us. This has to stop. The USA is currently under direct…

What is he? Voldemort?

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Post by bigyabai »

zer00eyz wrote: post #156
embedding-shape wrote: post #2

Ah man, just tried to submit this with the title "Discord cuts ties with Peter Thiel-backed SaaS once code tied to US spying found" which is slightly better I think, and fits exactly within 80 characters :) I think the whole "after its code was found tied to U.S. surveillance efforts" part is new and wasn't known before, so feels important to have in the title too. Although most of us probably assumed it was true bef…

> "after its code was found tied to U.S. surveillance efforts" part is new ... Although most of us probably assumed it was true before too. This makes me feel VERY old. 641A: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A Retroactive telecom immunity: https://www.eff.org/press/archives/2008/10/17 The government spying on what you do has been old news for 20 years. Snowden should not have been a shocking revelation to any on…

> The government spying on what you do has been old news for 20 years.

The methodology has evolved dramatically in those 20 years, what we've seen from Snowden is almost certainly obsolete in the light of new surveillance tactics. Even as a pessimist myself, I'm still routinely shocked by the lengths that American tech has been bugged.

Salt Typhoon is really the icing on this cake; "lawful" intercept turned against the state that implemented it. There are more twists left in this story no matter how jaded you might feel.

Re: Discord cuts ties with identity verification software, Persona

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Post by EmbarrassedHelp »

Aurornis wrote: post #25
jyscao wrote: post #4

So does this mean Discord is scrapping its new face verification requirement for users, or imply they’re no longer using this 3rd party service (Persona) to do it? The article wasn’t too clear on that.

> So does this mean Discord is scrapping its new face verification requirement for users, No, they’re outsourcing the verification to an external company. Just not this one. Side note: The verification is only if you want to remove content filters, join adult-themed servers and a couple other features. If you only want to chat with your friends and use voice then no verification is required.

As far as I am aware, "sensitive content" is blocked even in private messages. So it impacts your ability to chat with friends.

Re: Discord cuts ties with identity verification software, Persona

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Post by john_strinlai »

nozzlegear wrote: post #233
john_strinlai wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the point rogerrogerr is making is that a government is not going to be tripped up by "teter piel", just like you werent.

SOTA LLMs couldn't even correctly answer whether a person should drive a car to the car wash or walk there themselves just a week ago, so it's plausible the government's tech might be tripped up here. Costs nothing to try it, at least!

this isnt particularly against you, knowing your comment is mostly in jest, but: not everything needs to be, or should be, thought about in an "llm-first" way.

a simple regex will surface all of the "obfuscated" comments, which can then be sent to some intern analyst to read.

Re: Discord cuts ties with identity verification software, Persona

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Post by nozzlegear »

john_strinlai wrote: post #237
nozzlegear wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

SOTA LLMs couldn't even correctly answer whether a person should drive a car to the car wash or walk there themselves just a week ago, so it's plausible the government's tech might be tripped up here. Costs nothing to try it, at least!

this isnt particularly against you, knowing your comment is mostly in jest, but: not everything needs to be, or should be, thought about in an "llm-first" way. a simple regex will surface all of the "obfuscated" comments, which can then be sent to some intern analyst to read.

No worries, I didn't take it that way. I lean anti- llm-first myself. I was actually going to make joke about levenshtein distance but figured since we're on HN, I'd lean into the LLM zeitgeist that everyone can't stop talking about here =P

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Post by hn_acc1 »

renewiltord wrote: post #168
shevy-java wrote: post #148

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I don't think Taylor is close to lead any villain-list of superrich. Teter Phiel using money to buy influence and influence legislation or Melon usk, the guy fidgeting about with his right arm constantly pointing skywards - these guys definitely would be way before Taylor. But the main issue is why a few hold so much money. There needs to be a mandate to re-invest and improve the conditions on the planet past a certa…

Agreed. I propose choosing $1m as the threshold unrealized and realized summed. A 100% wealth tax on anything over that should help reduce inequality.

This can't be said in any kind of good faith. You'd put a lot of people in bigger cities out on the streets, including people who never worked above "bookeeper" or "factory worker" whose houses happen to be in a desirable location 40 years after they bought them.
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