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Re: Americans are destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by coliveira »

kettlecorn wrote: post #196
achierius wrote: post #122

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Just like how all we had to do to shut down Guantanamo Bay was vote for President Obama, right? So glad that that worked out. By and large, our institutions are not democratic, in that they are not responsive to 'popular opinion'; while there are certain arenas where, for one reason or another, the will of the majority does sway the day (e.g. the influence of scandals on individual elected officials), by and large mo…

This is far too nihilist. Obama and Biden both led to meaningful policy improvements and they were far more stable than the current admin.

They were able to slow down the inevitable trajectory, they did nothing to reverse course. Doing anything different would be too "radical" for Obama or Biden.

Re: Americans are destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by jibal »

School-Cotton wrote: post #166
bullfightonmars wrote: post #144

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This is ahistoric. No-one ever said we had to "just vote for Obama" to close Guantanamo Bay. Frankly, Obama _tried_ to close Guantanamo Bay. He significantly shrunk the population of inmates, but it was ultimately Congress, and the courts that prevented the closure Obama spent a huge amount of time and political capital trying to clean up Bush's messes.

You're supporting the point of the person you responded to.

No, they refuted their strawman.

Re: Americans are destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by fc417fc802 »

dirasieb wrote: post #174
toomuchtodo wrote: post #159

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You're free to your opinion. Property is just property, it is nothing special. Rule of law is highly dynamic and a shared delusion. Damaging or destruction of property is not violence, it is a property crime at best. In the scope of Flock, it is well documented as having been misused, illegally in many cases, by law enforcement and those with access to its systems [1] [2] [3]. > there are alternatives This does not c…

> Damaging or destruction of property is not violence. you wouldn't consider someone vandalizing your home or the infrastructure in your neighborhood to be violence? of course it is violence, an attack on the place i live (whether that's limited to just my home or to the larger community i live in) is an attack on me is it not violence to, for example, burn down a business where people work in if you do it at a time…

> you wouldn't consider someone vandalizing your home or the infrastructure in your neighborhood to be violence?

Very obviously not. Words have meaning. You are misusing words to garner emotional support for your preferred political position.

Burning down anything (including a business) is arson. Not violence. It only becomes violence if people are present and at imminent risk of physical harm.

Financial damage is not violence. Speech is not violence. Please take your doublespeak back to reddit; it doesn't belong on HN.

Re: Americans are destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by henryteeare »

School-Cotton wrote: post #166
bullfightonmars wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is ahistoric. No-one ever said we had to "just vote for Obama" to close Guantanamo Bay. Frankly, Obama _tried_ to close Guantanamo Bay. He significantly shrunk the population of inmates, but it was ultimately Congress, and the courts that prevented the closure Obama spent a huge amount of time and political capital trying to clean up Bush's messes.

You're supporting the point of the person you responded to.

One vote isn't enough. Just Obama was insufficient when congress was not sufficiently aligned.

Re: Americans are destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by mothballed »

amrocha wrote: post #230
overfeed wrote: post #216

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Badger your city council, work with like-minded residents in a way that can credibly threaten their re-elections, find and support privacy-conscious candidates who won't sign-onto Flock's agenda, create ads based on council meetings when councilors support surveillance in a way most voters will reject. Put their quotes on billboard with their picture, etc

Ok, you do all that work at home and manage to block flock in your area. It doesn’t matter because the next city over where you work installed them so you get tracked anyway. Then 2 years later a new city council gets elected and they install flock cameras in your city too. You can never get rid of them because it already passed and nobody wants to relitigate the same thing every couple of years. Local politics does…

Our city voted out the cameras so the feds just installed flock cameras on every bit of federal property in and near town, plus they're at private places like hardware stores.

Re: Americans are destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by cobbzilla »

aenis wrote: post #169
kbrisso wrote: post #59

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I agree. The amount of cameras and tracking has gotten out of control. If America actually becomes an "authoritarian" country (seems almost likely) I imagine all these Flock pics with other data mining techniques will be used to send Communist Progressives to reeducation camp.

America is an authoritarian country for decades now. It first dawned on me when i visited NYC some 30 years ago. I stepped over some arbitrary yellow line I wasn't supposed to - the uniformed cop that noticed that went from 0 to 100 in 0.1 second and behaved as if I just pulled a gun. Zero time to reflect and assume I might have made a legitimate mistake. Since then I've visited U.S. >150 times, and in my experience…

America is not NYC. NYC is proud of its police-state apparatus. Most of the rest of the country is very different.

Re: Americans are destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by dirasieb »

jacquesm wrote: post #224
dirasieb wrote: post #187

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the person i replied to made a broad "destroying property is not violence" claim, the scope of the conversation is more than just that also, i consider a security camera in a place i live to be security infrastructure, you should not be able to come into a place and do act like a vigilante imposing your view on what should and should not be recorded through force, if you have a problem with the way things work you sh…

It is clear that they were in no way making that claim in the context that you put it in, that's on you, not on them.

are you sure? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47129267 they seem to disagree

Re: Americans are destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by rjbwork »

some_random wrote: post #181
dyauspitr wrote: post #107

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Don’t both sides this. Explicitly point out that the GOP is many orders of magnitude worse.

Who was leading the push on drug "decriminalization"?

complete non-sequiter. legalization would solve many of our problems, and if done 20-25 years ago, have taken care of that cartel issue down south.
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