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Re: Pope tells priests to use their brains, not AI, to write homilies

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Post by lotsofpulp »

graemep wrote: post #208
falcor84 wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If we look outside Christianity, what comes to mind is reading about the ultra-orthodox in Israel, and obviously about Iran.

I was thinking of Christianity as I was responding to a comment that used the word "church". However, besides that, subsidies from general taxation are not the same as payments for a service received (i.e. going back to it being a "subscription service"), whereas something like the German system where the payment is linked to entitlement to services (if other comments here are accurate) can be reasonably characterise…

I disagree with the distinction between subsidies and payments. The math is zero sum, either way purchasing power is undesirably and forcibly reduced from one entity and given to another.

Re: Pope tells priests to use their brains, not AI, to write homilies

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Post by wolvesechoes »

verdverm wrote: post #2

What does it mean to search yourself for words, even if they fall short of the eleganance that Ai can produce? "What to do when Ai says 'I love you'?" discusses this conundrum https://www.npr.org/2025/07/18/g-s1177-78041/what-to-do-when... I've been paying attention to Sherry Turkle since I caught this show over the summer. She was on a panel at Davos titled "Swipe Left on Reality" which was the first time I heard he…

> phrase "frictionless relationships"

Peak post-modern world, where everything is more real than real, yet doesn't have any friction of the real.

Re: Pope tells priests to use their brains, not AI, to write homilies

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Post by somenameforme »

accidentallfact wrote: post #148
somenameforme wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you step outside and watch the stars, and map them, you'd also come to the conclusion of a geocentric universe yourself. The nature of the sky makes it appear that everything is regularly revolving around us. And incidentally you can even create astronomical predictions based upon this assumption that are highly accurate. You end up needing to assume epicycle upon epicycle, but Galileo's theory was no better there…

The thing that made him question geocentrism was that Venus quite visibly orbits the Sun. It has always been known that the tides are caused by the Moon. The hard part is to predict the tides in detail, as they depend on the geography as well. Some of the first computers were invented to predict the tides.

Galileo not only actively rejected lunar explanations for the tides, but felt that they were driven purely by the kinetic motion of the Earth - rotation about its own axis + revolution around the Sun. He dismissed the concept of invisible action at a distance -- Newton would be born in the same year that Galileo would die. You can read more about Galileo and his views on the tides here. [1] He felt that this was his most compelling argument for heliocentricism.

[1] - https://galileo.library.rice.edu/sci/observations/tides.html

Re: Pope tells priests to use their brains, not AI, to write homilies

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Post by OtomotO »

simmerup wrote: post #88
OtomotO wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No crusades for one populae example. More advancements... No being opposed to actual enlightenment, because it doesn't sit well with the institution of power... I am talking about a real man of science here of course, not some egoistic, smart person that needs to be constantly prove they are the smartest or else their frail ego will collapse... Which there are plenty of in academia and science.

So you'd rather have Europe be Islamic I guess, if you're opposing the crusades

I don't care either way to be honest...

I'd prefer Satanism for sure, but I don't really care.

Re: Pope tells priests to use their brains, not AI, to write homilies

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Post by PlatoIsADisease »

vasco wrote: post #45
dhruv3006 wrote: post #11

Btw pope is a math phd.

The Vatican has really smart people in there, regardless of how you feel about the whole thing. I recommend anyone interested in the topic to give a read to: https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/docu... "ANTIQUA ET NOVA Note on the Relationship Between Artificial Intelligence and Human Intelligence" I was quite impressed at how much they "get it".

There must be something missing if they are religious though.

Like some sort of critical thinking isnt there.

Re: Pope tells priests to use their brains, not AI, to write homilies

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Post by cafard »

stratocumulus0 wrote: post #152
solatic wrote: post #48

No priest will feed sufficient context about their community into the context window - even if they were skilled enough to do so, unless the model was locally hosted, doing so would be a violation of their vows of silence. Good homilies are written with the particular community in mind. If it were more effective to write a homily for a generic public, the Vatican would have started publishing standard homilies long a…

I was raised Catholic and even though the last time I've been to a church could have been in 2019, I don't remember any priest who wouldn't just gloss over the religious content for the day (copied from an online source), itching to share his politics and the most recent ragebait he's got from Facebook at the end.

This is in the US? I have rarely heard political homilies.

Re: Pope tells priests to use their brains, not AI, to write homilies

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Post by graemep »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #231
graemep wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was thinking of Christianity as I was responding to a comment that used the word "church". However, besides that, subsidies from general taxation are not the same as payments for a service received (i.e. going back to it being a "subscription service"), whereas something like the German system where the payment is linked to entitlement to services (if other comments here are accurate) can be reasonably characterise…

I disagree with the distinction between subsidies and payments. The math is zero sum, either way purchasing power is undesirably and forcibly reduced from one entity and given to another.

That is not the distinction I am making here. I even partly agree with you (with some nuances).

I am making a distinction between being made to pay through general taxation (e.g. as a pacifist is forced to pay for the military, an extreme libertarian for public services in general) and being made to pay in order to use the service (e.g. like a Netflix subscription). Almost everywhere they exist, subsidies for religion are like the former, not the latter.

Re: Pope tells priests to use their brains, not AI, to write homilies

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Post by SanjayMehta »

aarroyoc wrote: post #201
aubanel wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a bit harsh! I go to mass every Sunday (in France) and rarely have political stuff. When there, it's most often about abortion or euthanasia (of course in a pro-life (or anti-choice) direction, "you shall not kill") But dull, empty homilies are (alas) very frequent.

The last time I attended a mass (Spain) it was about some people in the village that were not helping the church enough (with an activity they had to do but also I think there was some money involved) but it was a bit cryptic, so only the ones that were directed the message to could fully understand it.

There's always money involved.
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