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There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming (2024)

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Re: There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming (2024)

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Post by triceratops »

rayiner wrote: post #67
idiotsecant wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing? China is solving the problem on their own. They already make substantially less carbon per person that most of the west. If we want to be like China it's a simple proposition: be OK with Manhattan project level investments in power transmission from places that have lots of renewables to places that need renewables.

Climate is determined by total CO2 output, not per capita. That’s a real problem, because China, and all the poor countries in Asia and Africa aren’t going to stop increasing their CO2 output per capita until they reach western standards of living.

Actually climate is determined by cumulative CO2 emitted. The US and Europe have emitted far more than China ever has.

As of today, solar and batteries are the cheapest source of electricity. All the "poor countries in Asia and Africa", except the ones that have oil and gas, will leapfrog straight to renewables. It just makes good sense, unless your politicians are paid off by the fossil fuel lobby.

Re: There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming (2024)

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Post by k33n »

epistasis wrote: post #210
k33n wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US defines the terms of the vast majority of global trade agreements and there’s no indication that will ever change. Americans get it — global academia hates Trump and to some extent America itself. In a way it’s understandable because you all seem to believe in your “right” to pick winners and losers. The world doesn’t actually work that way.

Trump in his first term gave the Pacific over to China, who now defines terms over there. In his second term, Trump is cutting the US out of leadership in Europe, leading to growing economic trade agreements that exclude the US. You seem to think these solid critiques about the inherent weakness of Trump are somehow mere partisanship, rather than the actual unwinding of US leadership around the world. I'm not part of…

If you think the world is shifting away from the United States, or that Trump isn’t having his way with virtually every trading partner on the map, then it seems you are falling victim to strong anti-US rhetoric. This rhetoric isn’t based in reality. The US leads the defense strategy of the entirety of Europe, and Europe has no other alternative. There may be some politicians that want to choose the US as “the loser”. But that’s just not really an option given the size of our economy and the size of our military.

TDS inspires people to blurt out the types of statements you’re making.

Re: There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming (2024)

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Post by almosthere »

tzs wrote: post #199
almosthere wrote: post #124

I think many people are unwilling to accept "climate change" or "global warming" because of the following: a) china is unwilling to do anything, and if that's the case, America shouldn't empty its pocket books on this issue. b) this climate change alarmist stuff has caused a climate disaster in the US because all the migration to Electric Only is causing us to use generators all over the place, which is crazy. We sho…

China is massively building solar, wind, hydro, and nuclear, and also has by far the largest network of UHV transmission lines (and are building many more) so that they can get electricity from the regions with the most solar and wind to the more northern heavy industrial areas. They are also the leader in producing and exporting solar and wind equipment, and in driving the prices down, to make it easier for other co…

Here you go:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/270499/co2-emissions-in-...

Re: There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming (2024)

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Post by almosthere »

smw wrote: post #162
almosthere wrote: post #124

I think many people are unwilling to accept "climate change" or "global warming" because of the following: a) china is unwilling to do anything, and if that's the case, America shouldn't empty its pocket books on this issue. b) this climate change alarmist stuff has caused a climate disaster in the US because all the migration to Electric Only is causing us to use generators all over the place, which is crazy. We sho…

china's building solar like _mad_, read a newspaper

That has nothing to do with how much they are putting in the air/water.

Re: There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming (2024)

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Post by worksonmine »

randusername wrote: post #118
legitster wrote: post #45

Even the crotchetiest and most out-of-touch people I know basically accept that the Earth is warming now. They just either disagree on the cause or proportion. Some people just naturally resist hyperbole or sensationalist rhetoric, and I find it very helpful to reframe the argument from doom and gloom and fire and brimstone to something more realistic and grounded: "The longer we put off doing something, the harder a…

I can understand people having their own reasons for dismissing the facts or the rhetoric. What I can't wrap my head around is the conspiracy thinking around environmentalism. What's so nefarious about clean air and water? I'll never forget when my grandmother walked out of WALL-E because she said it was government propaganda. She is a regular person, not a coal magnate or anything.

> What's so nefarious about clean air and water?

Nothing, but what puts me off is the sale of emission rights etc. Is it a problem or not? I care more about deforestation than a warming climate. There is always some product to buy behind the headlines and it drives me crazy.

The same people asking me to pay climate taxes are trying to tell me infinite growth can exist. I already live like a hermit and if everyone lived like me we wouldn't have a problem. We can't pay our way out of the problem and anyone who tells me we can is only out to make money.

I'm not against a clean planet, I'm against the politicians and businesses finding another way to extract money from their worker bees.

Re: There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming (2024)

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Post by garte »

rayiner wrote: post #135
guelo wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump is implementing multi decade right wing fantasies in many fronts. The idea that we can't achieve anything is limiting yourself when you're in a political arena. To win, like Trump, when you get power you have to attack on many fronts, cultural, capital, legal, and approach it as a zero sum scorched earth war where norms are another obstacle in your way.

You weren’t already doing that? You guys literally changed a dictionary definition to make a conservative appointee look bad: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/merriam-webster-changed-def... Trump, a democrat himself, is simply using the multi-front strategy he already knew.

thats a wild take... isnt this exactly the purpose of a dictionary: to reflect the words used in general language usage?

Re: There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming (2024)

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Post by mikrotikker »

legitster wrote: post #45

Even the crotchetiest and most out-of-touch people I know basically accept that the Earth is warming now. They just either disagree on the cause or proportion. Some people just naturally resist hyperbole or sensationalist rhetoric, and I find it very helpful to reframe the argument from doom and gloom and fire and brimstone to something more realistic and grounded: "The longer we put off doing something, the harder a…

Well if it was the E without the S and the G maybe it would have been harder to co opt.
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