I don't think his post and reason are highly analytic. Rather its result of working so hard to find out even smallest issue with Microsoft's new product No product are perfect in that regard. Remember first iPhone ? first Android ? first iPad ? Camera viewpoint doesn't cover your face when you put tablet on kickstand mode? put it little away. what's wrong. Other leading tablets in market doesn't even have one. Its be…
Why I'm returning my Microsoft Surface RT
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#232Earlier quoted context omitted.
> But from the multiple Surface reviews posted here over the past few days You mean all those negative reviews that get upvoted to the front-page. Thats what happens here, the positive reviews usually get ignored, get flagged, or die quickly. Unless it's an Apple product. "Surface RT" is not "Surface for Windows 8 Pro". Windows RT is a stripped down version of Windows designed for lower power CPUs. It's also designed…
I don't have a horse in the iPad vs. Surface race. I don't care for closed ecosystems or walled gardens and have little desire for either device. I'm either a neutral party, or hostile to both camps. The use-case of an attached keyboard and the fully fledged Office app suite is not what this device is primarly for. That may be true, but it's a poor excuse. The basic function of a word processor is to easily generate…
If anything, you were generous. You could run WYSIWYG word processors on a 512KB Amiga or Atari. Both with a single M68k CPU at secpnd generation ARM CPU's used in the Acorn Archimedes range, and while there were numerous discussions about which were faster, a 7MHz-8MHz M68k is at least in the same magnitude performance wise as an 8MHz ARM2 CPU..
(EDIT: Actually, there was at least one WYSIWYG word processor for the Commodore 64 too - GeoWrite)
Factoring in improvements in architecture on top of clockspeed increases we're probably talking at least a thousand times more performance per core for a Cortex A9 vs ARM2. And that's likely generous towards these old machines too...
(can you tell I'm frustrated that my phone and tablets (Android; not bashing MS for this) are more sluggish than my 1988 Amiga 500+)
Re: Why I'm returning my Microsoft Surface RT
#233I don't think his post and reason are highly analytic. Rather its result of working so hard to find out even smallest issue with Microsoft's new product No product are perfect in that regard. Remember first iPhone ? first Android ? first iPad ? Camera viewpoint doesn't cover your face when you put tablet on kickstand mode? put it little away. what's wrong. Other leading tablets in market doesn't even have one. Its be…
Brent the author here. "Even the smallest issue" - errr, if the big selling point of the tablet is the keyboard, and Word can't keep up with me typing, that's not a small issue for me. I can understand how it would be a small issue for most folks, because most folks don't use tablets for Office. I wanted this tablet because it was specifically marketed as the work-friendly tablet. If I move the tablet far enough away…
" it was specifically marketed as the work-friendly tablet." - But that doesn't mean that we should expect powerhouse performance and after all its RT. Wait for pro if you want that performance. At least it is doing something better than other competition? No one can deny that its better in terms of "work-ready" than iPad or Android tab. Instead of whining about small issues why can't be appreciate what they are trying to build ?
"They are not competing against first generation offering. This is not some child thats needs love and support. This is a commercial product from a for-profit company at a high price." - Its something like complaining why new hybrid car in market not running x miles at xx speed , when a company brings new hybrid car in market at the time every car maker are busy making gas cars.
There are lots of thing promising about Surface. USB port, Smart Glass, Solid hardware, Office etc. Following is the post I would call more natural balanced response. http://mattblogsit.com/2012/10/27/is-the-microsoft-surface-f...
There are flaws out there. But which product in world don't have them. Are they something, which you can claim that, you are returning your product for ?
Re: Why I'm returning my Microsoft Surface RT
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Interesting. Thanks for the insider's insight. Is Microsoft really serious about challenging the iPad juggernaut with this kind of inattention to detail?
> Is Microsoft really serious about challenging the iPad juggernaut with this kind of inattention to detail? Not sure where you're going with this, but given the amount of effort and ambition around the Surface, I would say that Microsoft is absolutely serious. As for Word, there was a limited number of things we could do and fix in a finite amount of time. Trade-offs need to be made.
Re: Why I'm returning my Microsoft Surface RT
#235Earlier quoted context omitted.
Interesting. Thanks for the insider's insight. Is Microsoft really serious about challenging the iPad juggernaut with this kind of inattention to detail?
> Is Microsoft really serious about challenging the iPad juggernaut with this kind of inattention to detail? Not sure where you're going with this, but given the amount of effort and ambition around the Surface, I would say that Microsoft is absolutely serious. As for Word, there was a limited number of things we could do and fix in a finite amount of time. Trade-offs need to be made.
Re: Why I'm returning my Microsoft Surface RT
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> They are showing what it can be (in the minds of potential buyers), not what it is If that's true, they are showing what it isn't. > It's marketing. That's how it works. I believe the technical term would be "deceptive marketing" > Given the specifics on Windows RT, low power ARM based CPUs, etc ... it's not a desktop replacement device. At least not while it's running Windows RT. Too bad it can't run anything else…
> I believe the technical term would be "deceptive marketing" Deceptive about what? They are competing with the iPad more or less. No one is saying this thing is meant for serious production of content, it's meant for consumption of content. > they are showing what it isn't You can still place it on a table and expect good results as long as you're not 6'3"; or have a higher table then the author's. You can still hoo…
Wat? Wasn't this already answered?
Is this why every single marketing and promotional material shows it sitting on a desk with the connected keyboard? Is this why Microsoft made such a huge deal of the keyboard/screen workflow? (e.g. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mSckyoAMHg#! )
> You can still place it on a table and expect good results as long as you're not 6'3"; or have a higher table then the author's.
Wat? Are you seriously saying that your nature-provided human height is the problem? Let's get a little real here. Can you imagine the product meetings when they reviewed the stand: "Great! We cover 80% of the market place, but no marketing with any NBA players!"
Re: Why I'm returning my Microsoft Surface RT
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> But from the multiple Surface reviews posted here over the past few days You mean all those negative reviews that get upvoted to the front-page. Thats what happens here, the positive reviews usually get ignored, get flagged, or die quickly. Unless it's an Apple product. "Surface RT" is not "Surface for Windows 8 Pro". Windows RT is a stripped down version of Windows designed for lower power CPUs. It's also designed…
Ok so the focus on negative isn't relegated to just this community, its rather pervasive in society in general. Look at the iOS6 maps stuff and the flaking etc... Not to discount them in general but everyone that looks at my phone always comments about its weight first. I think humans focus on their pain points over the good in general.
Re: Why I'm returning my Microsoft Surface RT
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Hi. Brent here, the post author. Thanks for making the point. I had hoped that by recording videos of the problems, I wouldn't get attacked as just making off the cuff observations. Readers can see the problems for themselves. Still getting attacked by the fanbois, though, and that's a little disappointing.
You're right. However, given that your problems other than the kick stand are rather odd bugs specific to you (haven't seen anyone else have the problems you had with Mail and saving in Word) would you not consider perhaps getting the device replaced over straight up returning it? As for Word being slow...I agree that is inexcusable. If I were you I probably would have tried getting the free update to the final versi…
Re: Why I'm returning my Microsoft Surface RT
#239"The diagonally-oriented camera is strange. In the one orientation it’s optimized for, it’s slightly annoying. In any other orientation, it’s almost intolerable. " "The built-in front-facing camera for Skype is angled so that it’ll work great when the kickstand is open, but again, only for Danny DeVito, or maybe for people who want to show off their chests in Skype." ------ "The Touch Cover is one of the Surface’s bi…
> "So quickly, in fact, that I can outrun Microsoft Word on the Surface. I get the feeling that the Surface RT’s CPU or Word code just can’t keep up with my typing. Here’s an example video:" I'm on the Word team in Office and I'm coming into this thread incredibly late, but FWIW the slow typing on ARM was something we couldn't fully address in time for the preview release. Word RTM (ARM and x86/x64) has much better p…
by the way, it is even worse with Powerpoint. every few lines typed i had the screen go white to redraw the whole UI.
Re: Why I'm returning my Microsoft Surface RT
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> "So quickly, in fact, that I can outrun Microsoft Word on the Surface. I get the feeling that the Surface RT’s CPU or Word code just can’t keep up with my typing. Here’s an example video:" I'm on the Word team in Office and I'm coming into this thread incredibly late, but FWIW the slow typing on ARM was something we couldn't fully address in time for the preview release. Word RTM (ARM and x86/x64) has much better p…
i know you mean well, but you really shouldn't be posting this. it does not reflect well pn MS if one of their major differentiators, Office, was not in the loop during this major new product's development. by the way, it is even worse with Powerpoint. every few lines typed i had the screen go white to redraw the whole UI.