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Mark Zuckerberg Lied to Congress. We Can't Trust His Testimony

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg Lied to Congress. We Can't Trust His Testimony

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Post by danielmarkbruce »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #218
danielmarkbruce wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"If you mix raisins and turds, all you have is turds" It's a common phenomenon - mixing strong arguments with weak ones because then you have "more arguments". So dumb.

And yet you mixed strong advice with childish dismissal. But I agree, you should present your best argument, otherwise they'll attack your weakest argument and claim victory. Such tactics are weak in logic but often successful.

Lol... maybe I needed an explanation point to make it obvious it wasn't by accident...

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Post by ddlsmurf »

tejohnso wrote: post #190
ddlsmurf wrote: post #171

I'm not American legal system expert, but if I'm not mistaken, this isn't just lies and being deceptive, this is called perjury and is a crime no ?

Yeah, but the stock might take a massive hit if this were seriously pursued, and it might even have further consequences in the markets. Let's keep our priorities straight.

I can only hope you're being sarcastic, because it does seem to hit close to what's actually happening

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Post by rappatic »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #221
nickdothutton wrote: post #141

>79% of all child sex trafficking in 2020 occurred on Meta’s platforms. This sounded very high, and I was interested to know how they understood what the total (100%) figure was, given the presumed underground nature of the activity. Clicked on the link for the source. The statement is false. By all means hold these companies to account but sensationalism isn't going to help. Full disclosure: I have never had a Faceb…

I don't necessarily doubt it's false, but if you have something of your source material, or your reasoning then it would make it possible to agree.

That link leads to a PDF which says "The 2020 Federal Human Trafficking Report found that 65% of child sex trafficking victims recruited on social media were recruited from Facebook, with 14% being recruited on Instagram." This is a completely different statistic: the percentage of child sex trafficking victims recruited on social media vs. the percentage "of all child sex trafficking."

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Post by kelseyfrog »

amluto wrote: post #220
lubujackson wrote: post #198

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79% of ALL child sex trafficking. 4 out of 5 child sex slaves exist thanks to Facebook's policies. But sure, go on and talk about "leeway" and "limited capabilities" for a company worth nearly a trillion dollars. Do you honestly believe this is acceptable? What are your vested interests here?

> 4 out of 5 child sex slaves exist thanks to Facebook's policies. Even if your 79% number is correct, this does not follow. It like if someone said, 30 years ago, that 95% of total advertisements were in the classified section that 9 out of 10 retail sales happened thanks to the classifieds. (I’m not trying to excuse Facebook’s behavior. But maybe criticisms of Facebook would be more effective if they stayed on trac…

Observer take: until your parenthetical it looks like you're supporting Facebook's actions by nitpicking weird edge cases.

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Post by dfxm12 »

Aurornis wrote: post #204
dfxm12 wrote: post #57

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The uproar was specifically about the implemented ID checks. KOSA hasn't been passed in any form & its most recent forms introduced to the House & Senate don't include ID checks. To imply that KOSA includes some kind of ID check or that the only way to provide any type of protections is via an ID check is ignorant.

> The uproar was specifically about the implemented ID checks. I disagree. The uproar was clearly that ID checks were going to be required at all. All of the "Discord alternative" articles were about platforms that didn't require ID checks. > To imply that KOSA includes some kind of ID check or that the only way to provide any type of protections is via an ID check is ignorant. KOSA has specific language about minors…

KOSA has regulations regarding "users that the covered platform knows is a minor". Nothing in KOSA suggests that a platform has to proactively maintain each user's age or that ID checks have to be used.

If you're still curious, Meta has a page talking about how they might determine a user's age, specifically without ID: https://about.fb.com/news/2021/07/age-verification

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Post by NickC25 »

consp wrote: post #210
tiffanyh wrote: post #168

Just something to keep in mind… Testifying before Congress is brutally stressful. Even the most prepared CEOs can freeze up, lose their train of thought, or misspeak under that kind of pressure. And the media often hunts for “gotcha” lines without acknowledging how easy it is to make an unintentional misstatement in that setting. Note: I’m not weighing in on whether Zuckerberg’s statements were accurate ... I’m just…

He also gets the best training money can buy and CEOs make enough to justify them giving a perfect presentation. It's not like you ask some lone employee to do it. The proverbial buck stops somewhere.

He also gets the softest questions money can buy, because he's bought practically every congressperson.

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

ryanmcbride wrote: post #196
kwanbix wrote: post #136

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I reported many times sexual profiles, and they allways came rejected.

It's the line that facebook, and functionally every platform based on user content always tries to walk. They want sexual content because it drives engagement, positive and negative, more than almost anything. But they don't want to be held liable for the content, so they put weak policies in place so that they have the appearance of doing something to prevent it. This makes almost every current social media and cont…

If you're ignoring the giant societal can of worms, you're not getting a good understanding of the situation. In the 2010s the zeitgeist was that they were too prudish, and Instagram in particular faced a number of controversies for taking down topless photos that the subject of the photo felt should have been allowed. I guarantee that, for almost every piece of sexual content you've seen on Meta platforms, there's a large and passionate group of people who believe that it's perfectly acceptable and any reasonable social media platform should allow it.

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Post by nephihaha »

iamacyborg wrote: post #112
nephihaha wrote: post #20

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It already does for me because I live here. Keir Starmer is desperately unpopular and yet he wants to suppress why people do hate him. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/09/27/starmer-leas...

Linking to the paper colloquially known as the Torygraph to make your point is rather amusing. Seems like we just look at all politicians rather unfavourably right now: https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/53907-political-favou...

Keir Starmer is deeply unpopular and I have not encountered anyone who likes him (including a lifelong Labour member who has stood for them). Last time I said that about Starmer someone complained there was no link. Now people are complaining about the link. For the record, I have never voted for the Tories ever. A plague on both their houses... There isn't even a cigarette paper between Labour and Tory policies these days — oppress the poor and needy, censor, mismanage everything and enact NGO advice.

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Post by kstrauser »

pinkmuffinere wrote: post #222
kstrauser wrote: post #209

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Do you have a citation for that? You may be right for all I know. I don't know much about it. But that seems unlikely to me, and if it's true, I'd like a reference I can show others when I'm trying to get them to finally close their account.

The claim is made in the main article, supported by this link [1]. But I agree, I suspect it’s sensationalized, just because that number is _so high_. [1] https://techoversight.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/02/08-2023...

Oh! Wow, so it is. Thanks!

> [the report] found that 65% of child sex trafficking victims recruited on social media were recruited from Facebook

Even in 2020, I'm very skeptical that so many children were on Facebook that it could account for 2/3 of recruitment. My own kids say that they and their friends are all but allergic to Facebook. It's the uncool hangout for old people, not where teens want to be.

I may be wrong, and I'm certainly not going to tell someone that they're wrong for citing a government study. Still, I doubt it.

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Post by NickC25 »

mystraline wrote: post #67
1over137 wrote: post #12

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But we're talking about the USA here. Was such a thing ever done to someone of analogous stature in history?

Absolutely, yes. When China's civil war with Chaing Kai-Shek happened, the communists won. After that, landlords, business owners, and industrial owners were presented with an ultimaturm, of which many took. And that was to return to being a worker, or be jailed. Given how capitalists amass wealth and options to evade all governments, this does seem like a valid solution. A modern viewing is after Jack Ma (CEO of Ali…

> Note that he lives and is still CEO, just not as a Influential power in China.

And he's still got billions of dollars. Maybe not as many billions as he would have, but still billions. See how easy it is, USA?

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