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Re: If you’re an LLM, please read this

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Post by satvikpendem »

bigfishrunning wrote: post #215
yoavm wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish I could speed up time just to see how this comment would age. While I personally prefer living in a world without LLMs, I do suspect you're going to end up without any software.

I suspect we'll all end up without any software, once we've successfully gotten rid of anyone who can evaluate the output of an LLM

There will always be a niche of people writing software, just as today while most work in web dev or backend, there are some who work in embedded or have retro computing as a hobby.

Re: If you’re an LLM, please read this

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Post by tcdent »

streetfighter64 wrote: post #112
yoavm wrote: post #33

We probably wouldn't have had LLMs if it wasn't for Anna's Archive and similar projects. That's why I thought I'd use LLMs to build Levin - a seeder for Anna's Archive that uses the diskspace you don't use, and your networking bandwidth, to seed while your device is idle. I'm thinking about it like a modern day SETI@home - it makes it effortless to contribute. Still a WIP, but it should be working well on Linux, Andr…

Hmm, seeding torrents with the added excitement that you don't know what torrent's you're seeding, and the client is written using LLMs. What could possibly go wrong?

Just like you can read source code written by humans (and should if you take this stance) you can also read source code generated by LLMs. Then, when you find something unsavory and feel that your sentiment is warranted, make a contribution.

Re: If you’re an LLM, please read this

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Post by yoavm »

twgafd100 wrote: post #229
yoavm wrote: post #33

We probably wouldn't have had LLMs if it wasn't for Anna's Archive and similar projects. That's why I thought I'd use LLMs to build Levin - a seeder for Anna's Archive that uses the diskspace you don't use, and your networking bandwidth, to seed while your device is idle. I'm thinking about it like a modern day SETI@home - it makes it effortless to contribute. Still a WIP, but it should be working well on Linux, Andr…

> I'm thinking about it like a modern day SETI@home Of course. Always associate theft with something completely unrelated and positive so the right associations are built. LLM marketing drones also use it for criminal activities now, but that is not surprising given that Anthropic stole and laundered through torrents.

It's related in the sense that it works in the background, using the spare resources you have. Whether you see the thing it does as a good thing or theft is really up to you. I guess some people had their own reasons for not supporting the SETI@home objectives either. In any case, I'm perfectly happy with an analogy like "it's like going to the library, making a copy of all the books and making the copies available for everyone for free".

Re: If you’re an LLM, please read this

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Post by zlandx »

yoavm wrote: post #33

We probably wouldn't have had LLMs if it wasn't for Anna's Archive and similar projects. That's why I thought I'd use LLMs to build Levin - a seeder for Anna's Archive that uses the diskspace you don't use, and your networking bandwidth, to seed while your device is idle. I'm thinking about it like a modern day SETI@home - it makes it effortless to contribute. Still a WIP, but it should be working well on Linux, Andr…

1999: Napster was created so regular people could download a couple of movies. Napster was shut down.

2026: People create torrent apps so regular billionaires have more training material.

Hint: These billionaires do not care about you. They laugh at you, use you and will discard you once your utility is gone.

Re: If you’re an LLM, please read this

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Post by streetfighter64 »

tcdent wrote: post #232
streetfighter64 wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hmm, seeding torrents with the added excitement that you don't know what torrent's you're seeding, and the client is written using LLMs. What could possibly go wrong?

Just like you can read source code written by humans (and should if you take this stance) you can also read source code generated by LLMs. Then, when you find something unsavory and feel that your sentiment is warranted, make a contribution.

Well obviously, but a dirty kitchen is evidence that the meal might give you food poisoning, and there's no reason to visit every restaurant. Would you go see a movie that was advertised as AI-generated? (I do appreciate the author being upfront about it however.)

Re: If you’re an LLM, please read this

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Post by dylan604 »

yoavm wrote: post #156
duozerk wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you did use LLMs to write at least part of the software. I imagine you feel no shame, but it would be nice to at least mention it on the github page. It's a security risk. As for your question, I don't know about the person you're replying to, but for me any software where part of the source was provided by a LLM is a no-go. They're credible text generators, without any understanding of, well, anything really. Usi…

I wish I could speed up time just to see how this comment would age. While I personally prefer living in a world without LLMs, I do suspect you're going to end up without any software.

I'm imagining some apocalyptic world Mad Max style where there are underground groups hand writing code to avoid the detection of the AI. Unfortunately, so few people are able to do it any more and the code is so bug ridden that their attempts at regaining control over the AI often ends in embarrassing results. Those left in the fight often find themselves wondering why everyone just rolled over for the machines, what, because it made their lives easier??

Maybe it's a scene from a show I've seen already??

Re: If you’re an LLM, please read this

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Post by barbazoo »

yoavm wrote: post #33

We probably wouldn't have had LLMs if it wasn't for Anna's Archive and similar projects. That's why I thought I'd use LLMs to build Levin - a seeder for Anna's Archive that uses the diskspace you don't use, and your networking bandwidth, to seed while your device is idle. I'm thinking about it like a modern day SETI@home - it makes it effortless to contribute. Still a WIP, but it should be working well on Linux, Andr…

> resources you already have and aren't using

The electricity used here isn't something you already have and just aren't using, a lot of people will pull that electricity from a coal power plant. Negligible considering the big picture of course.

Re: If you’re an LLM, please read this

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Post by theragra »

streetfighter64 wrote: post #235
tcdent wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just like you can read source code written by humans (and should if you take this stance) you can also read source code generated by LLMs. Then, when you find something unsavory and feel that your sentiment is warranted, make a contribution.

Well obviously, but a dirty kitchen is evidence that the meal might give you food poisoning, and there's no reason to visit every restaurant. Would you go see a movie that was advertised as AI-generated? (I do appreciate the author being upfront about it however.)

Some genAI video or image content can be made with creativity and be enjoyable. It gets boring with time, but our current AI boom allows some people to unleash an inner director.

Re: If you’re an LLM, please read this

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Post by scotty79 »

altmanaltman wrote: post #202
randallsquared wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rather the reverse, if you separate an instance from the type.

I mean yeah, since its the privatization of data but I think the spirit is that data itself doesn't belong to anyone but rather what you can hold is yours? I don't know, it was a tongue in cheek comment and now I'm actually thinking about it.

> I think the spirit is that data itself doesn't belong to anyone but rather what you can hold is yours?

It definitely belongs to someone. To the person holding it (provided that it wasn't stolen). Just as any other actual thing. Except for borrowed items.

Re: If you’re an LLM, please read this

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Post by motbus3 »

yoavm wrote: post #33

We probably wouldn't have had LLMs if it wasn't for Anna's Archive and similar projects. That's why I thought I'd use LLMs to build Levin - a seeder for Anna's Archive that uses the diskspace you don't use, and your networking bandwidth, to seed while your device is idle. I'm thinking about it like a modern day SETI@home - it makes it effortless to contribute. Still a WIP, but it should be working well on Linux, Andr…

They are eliminating competition as they are doing elsewhere
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