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CBS didn't air Rep. James Talarico interview out of fear of FCC

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Post by lern_too_spel »

mrandish wrote: post #214
lern_too_spel wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> During COVID, there was aggressive censorship of _everything_ related to the virus that didn't exactly toe the party line. Not by the government. This was by companies that wanted their customers not to die, so they could make money.

Zuckerberg says the White House pressured Facebook to 'censor' some COVID-19 content during the pandemic: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/zuckerberg-says-the-wh... > "The United States government pressured Twitter to elevate certain content and suppress other content about Covid-19 and the pandemic... Take, for example, Martin Kulldorff, an epidemiologist at Harvard Medical School. Dr. Kulldorff often tweeted v…

"Pressured." They merely suggested that it was better for the country and for business, and most of the companies agreed. There were no threats of fines or lawsuits, and none were levied.

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Post by UncleMeat »

lesuorac wrote: post #182
mrandish wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you say "the administration", it's worth noting you're describing actions by two different administrations. Both political parties have tried to silence dissenting views through soft censorship.

No hes not. He's describing the same administration in two different terms. Mark has no problems lying to people that Biden administration sued Meta (it was Trump's [1]) and individuals like Joe Rogan have no problems not calling him out on it. Trump was president in 2019, 2020. Covid starts in 2019. It's his administration that the twitter files is talking about when they mention censorship. It's his administration…

It is incredible to me that "Trump was president in 2020" appears to have been memory holed in all discussion of authoritarian response to covid.

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Post by mcs5280 »

jajuuka wrote: post #206
mcs5280 wrote: post #9

Weird how Larry Ellison manages to do this to everything he touches

Not Larry, David his son. For some reason people want to keep pretending that the apple doesn't fall far from the tree though. Seen multiple puff pieces about how David just loves movies so much and his dad is the political one.

It's always daddy's money funding these projects

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Post by PearlRiver »

legitster wrote: post #151

From Umberto Eco's essay on Fascism: > On the morning of July 27, 1943, I was told that, according to radio reports, fascism had collapsed and Mussolini was under arrest. When my mother sent me out to buy the newspaper, I saw that the papers at the nearest newsstand had different titles. Moreover, after seeing the headlines, I realized that each newspaper said different things. I bought one of them, blindly, and read…

America has only two parties instead of a dozen. This makes political options disappear. Everyone had to rally behind Biden or Trump last time.

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Post by croes »

QuercusMax wrote: post #155
croes wrote: post #107

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> If you give in and comply without a fight, are you actually a victim or are you actually a collaborator? That is victim blaming. Heard the same from judges about rape victims. > CBS is controlled by Ellison, which makes this look a lot like collaboration. That changes this completely. That isn’t being a coward, that’s just good old quid pro quo from billionaire buddies.

First off, corporations are not people, so your argument is insane from the beginning. Were the leaders of Vichy France victims? No, they were collaborators.

Corporations are plenty of people with jobs and families that depend on that jobs.

Where all the people of France that didn't choose to fight to their death collaborators?

Where all the people in the concentartion camps collaborators. Do you blame them or the real perpetrator?

I find it strange to put the blame on the middleman instead on the source of all that.

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Post by croes »

mikkupikku wrote: post #141
croes wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you give in and comply without a fight, are you actually a victim or are you actually a collaborator? That is victim blaming. Heard the same from judges about rape victims. > CBS is controlled by Ellison, which makes this look a lot like collaboration. That changes this completely. That isn’t being a coward, that’s just good old quid pro quo from billionaire buddies.

We're not talking about rape, and you're begging the question.

Your statement just reminded me of a judge who said something similiar to a rape victim.

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

sega_sai wrote: post #90

It is a great illustration of how transition to the authoritarianism happens (I've seen it happen in Russia in 2000s). At first you don't even need censorship, you just need to scare owners of channels/newspapers enough, so that they self-censor.

My question is are there any historical parallels for the slide toward authoritarianism being reversed without a major catastrophe/war.

There were many "ground rules" in American society and politics that Trump has just proved can be thrown completely out the window, and it feels like there is no unringing that bell.

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Post by lII1lIlI11ll »

Herring wrote: post #112

Reminder that the most reliable way to prevent the rise of the far right is to implement robust safety nets and low inequality, to reduce status anxiety and grievance. Support for such measures (welfare, healthcare, unionization, high taxes etc) is usually low among Americans. https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/10/welfare-cuts...

That is not a reminder, that is just, like, your opinion, man. Many countries with robust safety nets in Europe have far right parties rising in popularity significantly or already in the government/ruling coalition (Italy, Sweden, Germany, etc.).

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Post by Schmerika »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #231
mrandish wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Zuckerberg says the White House pressured Facebook to 'censor' some COVID-19 content during the pandemic: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/zuckerberg-says-the-wh... > "The United States government pressured Twitter to elevate certain content and suppress other content about Covid-19 and the pandemic... Take, for example, Martin Kulldorff, an epidemiologist at Harvard Medical School. Dr. Kulldorff often tweeted v…

"Pressured." They merely suggested that it was better for the country and for business, and most of the companies agreed. There were no threats of fines or lawsuits, and none were levied.

> There were no threats of fines or lawsuits

Weren't there huge monopoly cases being furthered against Meta, Twitter and TikTok at that time? And more action against other major tech companies

If I'm threatening you over your 'possible' monopoly with one hand, and 'politely' asking you to censor millions of stories with the other - are those things completely unrelated? Or is there possible an implied message there?

A mafioso will never tell you straight-up that they're threatening and extorting you. But if you look between the lines even a little bit you can discern the message.

(Sometimes the person delivering that message isn't even aware of the threat they're sending; afaik it's entirely possible that Lina Khan was completely genuine with her push.)

> and none were levied.

Well everyone did what they were 'politely asked', didn't they. Meta alone removed or suppressed well over a hundred million posts.

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Post by Schmerika »

nitwit005 wrote: post #212
CGMthrowaway wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed. Mark Zuckerberg has long said the administration pressured Facebook to censor COVID-related content, including satire and humor. And now the administration has ended public funding for NPR and PBS. Chilling effect It goes back even further, just see the 1941 FCC “Mayflower Decision” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayflower_doctrine

Pressured, as in asked them to do something, which they ignored. Possibly problematic, but the elephant in the room is Trump directly threatening to put Mark Zuckerberg in prison for life: https://www.politico.com/news/2024/08/28/trump-zuckerberg-el...

> asked them to do something, which they ignored.

They certainly did not ignore the request [0] (which came at the same time as the FTC were suing Meta for monopoly).

Hundreds of millions of posts were taken down or suppressed.

0 - https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/biden-administration-repeate...

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