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Ring cancels its partnership with Flock Safety after surveillance backlash

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Re: Ring cancels its partnership with Flock Safety after surveillance backlash

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Post by LazyMans »

wat10000 wrote: post #52
LazyMans wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

None of these agencies get your video data without your consent. The feature was designed so they have an easy way to present you the request for footage. Unfortunately a portion of the information getting circulated is the complete opposite.

I'm certain they get your video data without your consent when the agencies have a warrant. I think it's very likely that they won't necessarily require a warrant, either. Consider the Nancy Guthrie case. The owner wasn't around to give consent, and the camera didn't even have an active subscription, yet law enforcement was still able to recover video from Google's systems. The only way it could be as you say is if t…

Personally I store locally with a unifi system. Can’t they collect that footage with a warrant too?

Re: Ring cancels its partnership with Flock Safety after surveillance backlash

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Post by Brendinooo »

stalfosknight wrote: post #102
chmod775 wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're saying that because saying what they actually mean would paint flock in a negative light, which they likely want to avoid for various reasons.

So they'd rather lie in their press release.

“would require significantly more time and resources [to win over the public] than anticipated”, perhaps?

Re: Ring cancels its partnership with Flock Safety after surveillance backlash

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Post by freeopinion »

bossyTeacher wrote: post #181
stalfosknight wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So they'd rather lie in their press release.

Saying bad stuff about their former business partner could get them sued.

Saying good things can get you sued. The truth doesn't need to be disparaging. If you are uncomfortable about the privacy implications of some action, just say that. You don't have to use words like "evil" or "villian" to express that you are not comfortable with a particular path.

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Post by andwur »

ponector wrote: post #211
riversflow wrote: post #110

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Amazing how often people do that. Corporations have very little incentive to be truthful and often have good reason to be dishonest. I notice it particularly wrt video games, gamers are always taking studio’s messaging as gospel and not corporate comms.

I see this all the time at work. Folks treat their relationship with employer like a personal relationship. Be loyal to company and it will be loyal to you. But everyone lies. Your managers will stab you in the back and throw to the ditch anytime they can gain something from it.

One needs to only witness an exec team or board meeting to realise that loyalty as a concept doesn't exist at the top for the vast majority of companies. You're 1.8% of the accounts department budget, or 0.02% of the head office budget. Which is looking a bit high in the face of our projected earnings this quarter. Best get HR to trim that by 10% to free up some cashflow for sales and initiatives. Actually, make that 20%. Bonuses were a bit thin last round and I need a new yacht.

Re: Ring cancels its partnership with Flock Safety after surveillance backlash

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Post by Ylpertnodi »

mlrtime wrote: post #229
ulrikrasmussen wrote: post #186

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This is still unthinkable to me. Trading that much privacy for a little bit of convenience? How does it not make you uncomfortable to know that every conversation in your house is live streamed to someone else's computer?

What privacy am I giving up? You start with all these judgement questions without explaning.

Your personal privacy.

Re: Ring cancels its partnership with Flock Safety after surveillance backlash

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Post by nijave »

dabinat wrote: post #85

> Following a comprehensive review, we determined the planned Flock Safety integration would require significantly more time and resources than anticipated. That doesn’t sound like “we’re cancelling this because our customers let us know loud and clear that they were ethically against this”. If the only thing keeping them from doing this is time and money, what guarantee do we have that they won’t do it again if time…

>more time and resources than anticipated

It doesn't say for whom. That could easily be the legal and marketing department to cover the backlash

Re: Ring cancels its partnership with Flock Safety after surveillance backlash

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Post by nijave »

s0a wrote: post #83

Frigate NVR + Amcrest cameras. 100% local, private, on-device AI object recognition and classification. Can use a Google Coral USB TPU to speed that up. Runs on hardware as modest as a Raspberry Pi.

Empire Tech cameras are a bit better bang for your buck. The 4k models are great--be sure to read each model's strengths (low light, backlight, IR, near, far)

Frigate no longer recommends the Coral accelerator. I think Hailo is recommended now

Otherwise Frigate is great and integrates well with Home Assistant. I have a light on my office desk that comes on when a person is detected near the house, for instance

Re: Ring cancels its partnership with Flock Safety after surveillance backlash

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Post by nijave »

ryandrake wrote: post #118
idle_zealot wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Great. Now package that as a plug-and-play product so more than 1000 nerds will use it instead of participating in the largest dragnet in history ;)

I've found Reolink to be pretty much plug and play. Totally local. The NVR itself has PoE ports so all you have to be able to do is run a long ethernet cable.

I like Tp-Link Tapo for plug and play. They have some battery/wifi models that last quite a long time you mount with a magnet which is great for a temporary setup.

Re: Ring cancels its partnership with Flock Safety after surveillance backlash

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Post by nijave »

bandrami wrote: post #148

I still don't understand how otherwise sensible people can have an Alexa or Google Home. Like what part of that seems like a good idea to them?

Lesser technical people that don't know that you're the product with these items. They offer a lot of convenience if you want voice control and home automation and they're fairly affordable
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