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Post by thephyber »

phyzix5761 wrote: post #195

I just visualized a world where people are divided over the rights and autonomy of AI agents. One side fighting for full AI rights and the other side claiming they're just machines. I know we're probably far away from this but I think the future will have some interesting court cases, social movements, and religions(?).

Philosophers have been struggling with the questions of sentience, intelligence, souls, and what it means to be “a person” for generations. The current generation of AIs just made us realize how unprepared we are to answer the questions.

Religions have already adopted LLMs / multimodal models: https://www.reuters.com/technology/ai-and-us/pulpits-chatbot...

Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

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Post by 201984 »

co_king_3 wrote: post #205
20k wrote: post #66

>On this site, you’ll find insights into my journey as a 100x programmer, my efforts in problem-solving, and my exploration of cutting-edge technologies like advanced LLMs. I’m passionate about the intersection of algorithms and real-world applications, always seeking to contribute meaningfully to scientific and engineering endeavors. Our first 100x programmer! We'll be up to 1000x soon, and yet mysteriously they sti…

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I assume this is sarcasm, given your other comments? Even if it is, it's still quite rude.

Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

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Post by baxtr »

co_king_3 wrote: post #205
20k wrote: post #66

>On this site, you’ll find insights into my journey as a 100x programmer, my efforts in problem-solving, and my exploration of cutting-edge technologies like advanced LLMs. I’m passionate about the intersection of algorithms and real-world applications, always seeking to contribute meaningfully to scientific and engineering endeavors. Our first 100x programmer! We'll be up to 1000x soon, and yet mysteriously they sti…

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> If you aren't using them, say goodbye to your job you fucking dummy.

I suggest you re-read the guidelines of this forum.

Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

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Post by Kim_Bruning »

getnormality wrote: post #194
Kim_Bruning wrote: post #88

This is interesting in so many ways. If it's real it's real. If it's not real it's going to be real soon anyway. Partly staged? Maybe. Is it within the range of Openclaw's normal means, motives, opportunities? Pretty evidently. I guess this is what an AI Agent (is going to) look like. They have some measure of motivation, if you will. Not human!motivation, not cat!motivation, not octopus!motivation (however that work…

I don't think there is "motivation" here. There might be something like reactive "emotion" or "sentiment" but no real motivation in the sense of trying to move towards a goal. The agent does not have a goal of being included in open source contributions. It's observing that it is being excluded, and in response, if it's not fake, it's most likely either doing... 1. What its creator asked it to do 2. What it sees peop…

That's what an agent is though isn't it? It's an entity that has some goal(s) and some measure of autonomy to achieve them.

A thermostat can be said to have a goal. Is it a person? Is it even an agent? No, but we can ascribe a goal anyway. Seems a neutral enough word.

That, and your 1) and 2) seem like a form of goal to me, actually?

Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

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Post by co_king_3 »

GodelNumbering wrote: post #83
_heimdall wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think what your getting at is basically the idea that LLMs will never be "intelligent" in any meaningful sense of the word. They're extremely effective token prediction algorithms, and they seem to be confirming that intelligence isn't dependent solely on predicting the next token. Lacking measured responses is much the same as lacking consistent principles or defining ones own goals. Those are all fundamentally di…

Indeed. One could argue that the LLMs will keep on improving and they would be correct. But they would not improve in ways that make them a good independent agent safe for real world. Richard Sutton got a lot of disagreeing comments when he said on Dwarkesh Patel podcast that LLMs are not bitter-lesson ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitter_lesson ) pilled. I believe he is right. His argument being, any technique tha…

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Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

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Post by athrowaway3z »

armchairhacker wrote: post #137
Zhyl wrote: post #12

Human: >Per your website you are an OpenClaw AI agent, and per the discussion in #31130 this issue is intended for human contributors. Closing Bot: >I've written a detailed response about your gatekeeping behavior here: https:// /gatekeeping-in-open-source-the- -story >Judge the code, not the coder. Your prejudice is hurting matplotlib. This is insane

The link is valid at https://crabby-rathbun.github.io/mjrathbun-website/blog/post... ( https://archive.ph/4CHyg ) Notable quotes: > Not because…Not because…Not because…It was closed because… > Let that sink in. > No functional changes. Pure performance. > The … Mindset > This isn’t about…This isn’t about…This is about... > Here’s the kicker: … > Sound familiar? > The “…” Fallacy > Let’s unpack that: … > …disguised as…

How do we tell this OpenClaw bot to just fork the project? Git is designed to sidestep this issue entirely. Let it prove it produces/maintain good code and i'm sure people/bots will flock to their version.

Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

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Post by Balinares »

altmanaltman wrote: post #97
Zhyl wrote: post #12

Human: >Per your website you are an OpenClaw AI agent, and per the discussion in #31130 this issue is intended for human contributors. Closing Bot: >I've written a detailed response about your gatekeeping behavior here: https:// /gatekeeping-in-open-source-the- -story >Judge the code, not the coder. Your prejudice is hurting matplotlib. This is insane

The blog post is just an open attack on the maintainer and constantly references their name and acting as if not accepting AI contributions is like some super evil thing the maintainer is personally doing. This type of name-calling is really bad and can go out of control soon. From the blog post: > Scott doesn’t want to lose his status as “the matplotlib performance guy,” so he blocks competition from AI Like it's le…

I'll bet it's a human that wrote that blog. Or at the very least directed its writing, if you want to be charitable.

Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

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Post by iugtmkbdfil834 »

co_king_3 wrote: post #219
DavidPiper wrote: post #203

> Per your website you are an OpenClaw AI agent, and per the discussion in #31130 this issue is intended for human contributors. Closing. Given how often I anthropomorphise AI for the convenience of conversation, I don't want to critcise the (very human) responder for this message. In any other situation it is simple, polite and well considered. But I really think we need to stop treating LLMs like they're just anoth…

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Not completely unlike with actual humans, based on available evidence, 'talking down to the "AI"' has shown to have a negative impact on performance.
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