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Fluorite – A console-grade game engine fully integrated with Flutter

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Re: Fluorite – A console-grade game engine fully integrated with Flutter

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Post by dylan604 »

AngryData wrote: post #173
dylan604 wrote: post #109

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That's great for cars built before the regulation were put into place. Without that regulation, you'd then be dependent on the end user purchasing an after market part and installing it. The vast majority of them won't. So if it is so important to have, you make it part of the car. They did not leave seat belts up to the owners to install after market versions.

My point is that if a 3rd party manufacturer can produce and sell a combination screen and camera for $20 for a profit, an automotive manufacturer has no reason to complain about the "expense" of such a setup. It is even cheaper for them than a 3rd party addon supplier since they buy in larger bulk and can integrate mounts for those devices into the car, rather than trying to devise some sort of one-size-fits-all mou…

The 3rd party guy isn't paying someone $40/hour to install the $20 unit. The $20 unit will not be as integrated into the car and will have the look of an after market part. Does the $20 part only come on when the car is in reverse, or is it on all the time? There's a lot of reasons the after market thing can be $20 and a lot of reasons the auto manufacturer's is not. It's not all down to greed

Re: Fluorite – A console-grade game engine fully integrated with Flutter

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Post by Dylan16807 »

PlatoIsADisease wrote: post #214
Dylan16807 wrote: post #129

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> This doesn't even include the cost of hiring ~20 engineers to handle the buttons. ~6 people to check appearance and do testing... It doesn't include the assembly costs on the line. That 1% was just the cost of button + wire. That doesn't make sense. $1 uninstalled might make sense for a fancy custom-molded button, even if it's too much for a generic button. (I'd rather have some generic buttons with labels than use…

You are underestimating the quality you are getting with a car. The light colors match perfectly with science and experts. Its wild how much effort goes into it. Your after market has not been tested to react with sunscreen.

But the whole argument was that it's too expensive. If impeccable color matching is too expensive then give me the cheapest button that won't break. Needing the touchscreen to adjust the A/C is more ugly than the worst looking button.

But also that kind of button doesn't need dedicated wires.

Re: Fluorite – A console-grade game engine fully integrated with Flutter

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Post by doubled112 »

jabroni_salad wrote: post #170
nobody_r_knows wrote: post #148

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As someone who can only afford cars that are 10+ years old, i've never owened a car with a backup camera. And in a way-- good. That part of my brain, let it continue to develop. I am much better at "feeling out" where a car is than my friends who rely on back up cameras.

I used to be ornery about this but having a camera mounted on the back of the trunk that can see all the way down both ways of the aisle is actually a huge boon when backing out of a spot. Especially if I am parked next to something that is taller than my golf, which is most vehicles.

This is what changed my mind too. I was firmly in the “can’t you just learn to drive?” camp before.

I can use my eyes and look around but I can’t see through objects.

The camera and sensors have an incredibly wide view. I only have to get my rear end out a few inches to be able to see everything I couldn’t before. Pray and pull out isn’t very safe.

Re: Fluorite – A console-grade game engine fully integrated with Flutter

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Post by strix_varius »

Aurornis wrote: post #51
strix_varius wrote: post #41

I wonder if a slightly broader search for existing solutions - for instance, https://defold.com - would have shown that quick-startup, 3d-capable, c-integrable, low-end-hardware performant game engines could have been grabbed off the shelf. That said, this is cool and I would have probably celebrated a similarly fun project in their shoes. Perhaps the real accomplishment here is getting Toyota to employ you to build…

This is specifically designed to embed into Flutter apps, which have specific requirements how they interact with the GPU and renderer. They already tried other engines, such as Unity. The team didn't just go off and build something without trying existing solutions first.

The fact that they tried other engines seems to imply that non Flutter options were... Options.

If literally the only option was an embedded flutter view, then there was never more than one viable solution and looking into unity etc was wasted effort.

Re: Fluorite – A console-grade game engine fully integrated with Flutter

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Post by PlatoIsADisease »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #232
PlatoIsADisease wrote: post #214

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You are underestimating the quality you are getting with a car. The light colors match perfectly with science and experts. Its wild how much effort goes into it. Your after market has not been tested to react with sunscreen.

But the whole argument was that it's too expensive. If impeccable color matching is too expensive then give me the cheapest button that won't break. Needing the touchscreen to adjust the A/C is more ugly than the worst looking button. But also that kind of button doesn't need dedicated wires.

If only people bought a rag tag of aftermarket tier vehicles?

But for some reason people buy new nice vehicles and don't buy crappy new vehicles...

Re: Fluorite – A console-grade game engine fully integrated with Flutter

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Post by jdiff »

luqtas wrote: post #211
DerArzt wrote: post #177

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If they are feeling it, the worst scenario has happened.

like a vehicle touching a body in a speed of 3/4 km/h and the kid shouting or stepping away? or worst case your motion sensor beeping? how much the conversation diverts on a commentary about someone not wanting a car shipped with an OS capturing telemetry even of farts on the right back seat

This is one of those proverbial regulations that are written in blood. So no, that's not the worst case.

Re: Fluorite – A console-grade game engine fully integrated with Flutter

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Post by auxiliarymoose »

debugnik wrote: post #86
Aurornis wrote: post #51

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This is specifically designed to embed into Flutter apps, which have specific requirements how they interact with the GPU and renderer. They already tried other engines, such as Unity. The team didn't just go off and build something without trying existing solutions first.

Toyota complained about poor performance on all of Unity, UE and Godot, but also about long startup times with Godot. I don't know how bloated Godot is, but AFAIK libgodot development started as part of Migeran's automotive AR HUD prototype so I'm surprised to hear it has poor startup time for a car.

Godot is pretty lightweight (especially considering how powerful it is), generally about a second or less. But maybe they are looking for a fast enough startup time that the engine can be started when showing something onscreen and torn down when not visible. In which case, I can see the startup time being an issue.

Re: Fluorite – A console-grade game engine fully integrated with Flutter

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Post by auxiliarymoose »

james2doyle wrote: post #185
strix_varius wrote: post #41

I wonder if a slightly broader search for existing solutions - for instance, https://defold.com - would have shown that quick-startup, 3d-capable, c-integrable, low-end-hardware performant game engines could have been grabbed off the shelf. That said, this is cool and I would have probably celebrated a similarly fun project in their shoes. Perhaps the real accomplishment here is getting Toyota to employ you to build…

Having used both, the experience of building actual UI with Flutter is a breeze compared to building UI in any game engine. I can imagine that most of the usage of Flutter is leveraging the huge amount of work that was already done to get efficient and capable UIs done with just a stack of widgets.

Godot Engine has pretty good UI building tools.

The places where it poses challenges in my experience are high quality typesetting/rich text, responsive UI that requires a wide range of presentations (i.e. different layout structures on mobile vs desktop), and granular control over rendering details.

But for functionality-oriented UI, it's hard to beat its simplicity and scalability, particularly when you want to develop on one platform (e.g. computer) and have everything "just work" identically on other form factors (web/tablet/etc.).

For example, Godot's editor is bootstrapped/built in Godot, and runs natively on Web, Android, and Quest XR among other platforms.

Re: Fluorite – A console-grade game engine fully integrated with Flutter

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Post by Dylan16807 »

PlatoIsADisease wrote: post #235
Dylan16807 wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But the whole argument was that it's too expensive. If impeccable color matching is too expensive then give me the cheapest button that won't break. Needing the touchscreen to adjust the A/C is more ugly than the worst looking button. But also that kind of button doesn't need dedicated wires.

If only people bought a rag tag of aftermarket tier vehicles? But for some reason people buy new nice vehicles and don't buy crappy new vehicles...

You missed my point entirely.

Touchscreen controls are crappy. They're less nice than ugly buttons.

(And of course people still buy cars with flaws. An entire car is an amalgamation of so many features that's it's hard to use purchases to measure people's reaction to the vast majority of specific changes. And features like controls often take longer than a test drive to evaluate, too.)

Re: Fluorite – A console-grade game engine fully integrated with Flutter

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Post by m463 »

wasmainiac wrote: post #13
oritron wrote: post #9

It doesn't say Toyota anywhere on the page and they don't have a link to a repo or anything like that, so I was a little confused. But it is from /that/ Toyota (well, a subsidiary that is making 3d software for their displays) and there was a talk at FOSDEM about it: https://fosdem.org/2026/schedule/event/7ZJJWW-fluorite-game-...

> They use this game engine in the 2026 RAV4 Funny how “game engines” are now car parts in 2026. Can I just have an electric car that’s a car and nothing else? Seats, wheels pedals, mirrors, real buttons, no displays just a aux jack. I’d buy it, hell I might even take the risk and pre-order it

> a car and nothing else

sounds like slate:

https://www.slate.auto/en

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