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Google Fulfilled ICE Subpoena Demanding Student Journalist Credit Card Number

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What I'm curious about is whether this payment information is from spending money or from YouTube's requirement of doing a symbolic credit card payment to authenticate that you're an adult - and other potential checks for YouTube partners.

Basically YouTube's form of age verification that takes place such as when they can't figure out whether to serve you mature videos or not.

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I listed asylum seekers and visa holders in detention but they are definitely grabbing citizens too. Usually they do not hold them for very long. This happened at the Target I shop at: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/13/ice-immigrat... Two teenagers just doing their jobs, dogpiled by roughly four adult men, beaten up and released hours later. One of them was just dropped off at the Walmart down the stree…

> Usually they do not hold them for very long.

I am confused here. If the law grants ICE (or whatever is the umbrella agency that ICE operates under) the power to detain to determine legality of the status, ICE does it, and then releases people back, the law works as intended, no?

I am confused what is the difference between this, and police who can detain a “tall man in black short and red hat” and 10 hours later (or whenever) release back due to new information, or mistake in ID?

I understand that we absolutely have to strive to zero of such cases, but operations at scale (like law enforcement) have zero chance to have no mistakes.

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Indeed, law enforcement officers frequently lie about laws in order to accomplish their goals. This erodes public trust in law enforcement. As a society we should structure incentives such that agents of the government should be exposed to the externalities resulting from their actions.

> As a society we should structure incentives such that agents of the government should be exposed to the externalities resulting from their actions. That’s the most oblique way of writing “lock and load” that I’ve ever seen.

It's a recommendation for us to lobby Congress to make an amendment to US Code. It would add a requirement for mandatory disciplinary action for agents in the government who breach public trust, with a series of specific elements to ensure a narrow application of the policy.

It's delightfully surprising to see text interpreted in different ways. It would not have occurred to me to have considered your understanding.

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Sometimes I choose to not respond to people who reply to me in bad faith or if it is a tired argument. This comment thread is about how to avoid having law enforcement query Google for your data. My suggestion was to avoid getting in trouble in the first place to remove the need for law enforcement to care about you in the first place. I am not part of the law enforcement operation. I don't have all of the details ab…

> I don't have all of the details about what the person in the article did or did not do. How is your advice supposed to actually pertain to insulating against federal mistreatment, then? Contextually it reads like a series of accusations, which the parent is calling you out on.

Because being proactive in preventing and adversarial relationship between law enforcement and yourself is an easier position to avoid it in than when you are in an adversarial one.

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Just wish I could get off gcal. Too many friends/family on it

Fastmail's calendar works reasonably well. My two complaints with it: - There isn't a convenient calendar widget; Google's calendar widget only works with Google's calendar. I'd like something exactly like Google's calendar widget but working with Fastmail's calendar. - Sites that integrate with Google Calendar but not with arbitrary CalDAV servers. I could live without the latter, but the former is a dealbreaker; I'…

Widget for what? Mobile OS? Websites?

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> (they'd at least need to dig through it more than just going by first/last name on the account itself). FYI this is beyond trivial and automated to the nth degree. There is so much more to go off of than some form fields to uniquely identify a person.

For linking activity back to your person? Without name, payment details, photos of face, or IRL social graph the easiest path that comes to mind is IP address. But that's going to involve additional inquiries and is likely ambiguous (unless you live alone, but determining that is again more work).

“allow google to search for devices on your network?”

I’m not trying to be condescending here, but I’m just asking what someone thinks is happening here and what they can do with information scanned on your network.

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Yeah, and your point? ICE has already descended into detaining anyone, literally anyone, because they have quotas to meet. They seized a white Irishman last October who had a valid work permit and was just about to head to his green card interview. This is Gestapo all over again.

That guy had been overstaying a tourist visa for something like 17 years, and only started the green card process in April 2025. I don't think people who have overstayed tourist visas for 17 years should be eligible for any kind of permanent residency in the US, and would support laws making it impossible for someone in his position to get a green card or a work permit. The fact that he is a white Irishman is legally…

Only because we made the "overstaying" an illegal offense. But there's no reason to -- if the guy was paying taxes the whole time, and never committed a serious crime, then we should be happy to welcome such guys, ramping up our GDP.

Don't forget that the paperwork costs a lot, if one has children, can get close to $10k.

Look at Spain -- instead of deporting "illegals", they just made them "legals" (those without a criminal record). Easy, problem solved.

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I don't see how what has been described here as "the system works as intended". A free state should not be able to sniff after people for made up reasons.

Re-read the first few sentences of his post. > if there is a valid warrant or subpoena

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