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Re: Luce: First Electric Ferrari

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Post by Reason077 »

c22 wrote: post #118
kjellsbells wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder what the speed/weight tradeoff is on a Ferrari though. Eg on a Bugatti they can put in a beast of an engine (heavy) because their buyers care only about power output and if it gets 8 miles to a gallon who cares. On an electric sports car, where does the break lie between extra weight for a powerful battery and too much weight to make the car go vroom? Side note: I wonder if, in 20 years, petrol cars will the…

> Side note: I wonder if, in 20 years, petrol cars will the preserve of the very rich and the very poor. Sure, except the very poor will be eco criminals (due to being unable to maintain their equipment to relevent emission standards/pay the associated offset fees) and will be selectively hounded and exploited by law enforcement.

In 20 years there will be no shortage of cheap, old EVs on the used car market. Petrol cars will be just for the enthusiasts and collectors.

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Post by drrotmos »

ROOFLES wrote: post #225
pjc50 wrote: post #215

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At some point, the petrol stations start closing, and petrol vehicles start having range anxiety. The antiques get served by a little EV bowser service that comes round and delivers, but you won't be able to drive them in cities. (diesel will hang on a lot longer, so there may be a period of refinery retuning and petrol stations serving only diesel?)

Well you cant just get rid of Gasoline in the refinery process. Crude oil essentially gets destilled. The different fractions are split based on boiling point/weight. Heavy fuel oil-> Diesel-> Kerosene->Gasoline-> Naphta-> Propane/Butane whatever. That is why making new Plastic is so incredibly cheap. You need (i think) ethylene to make plastic. Ethylene is a byproduct of oil refining. If no one buys it, the whole re…

Plastic isn't a single material. Some plastic materials (e.g PE, polyethylene or PVC, polyvinyl chlorine, but also others that use ethylene derivatives as intermediates) require ethylene, but there certainly are plastic materials which are produced without any involvement of ethylene or other petrolium derivatives.

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Post by gnfargbl »

Temporary_31337 wrote: post #220

Unfortunately for a lot of performance and luxury oriented Car manufacturers, EVs are a death trap - since they don't have access to any special battery chemistry, the drivetrain is basically a commodity - you can get more HP from Xiaomi than you can get from a Ferrari. Any advatages / weight savings around say carbon chassis will be negligible and probably more of a nuisance in daily driving. Moreover the battery wi…

There's more to this kind of a car the torque and straight-line speed. Take a look at this Tesla Model 3 Performance on the Nürburgring https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tdhYevUGwM, the brakes are overheated after a few minutes of driving.

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Post by arein3 »

carefree-bob wrote: post #101
anonym00se1 wrote: post #3

In case anyone was wondering what the Apple Car would have looked like inside, it would have been roughly this. As an Apple Car™ it makes sense, but as a Ferrari it's incredibly soulless and oversimplified. This Ive design aesthetic (Dieter Rams' aesthetic really) is fine on consumer electronics where you want the device to disappear and give way to the display, but on something as emotional as a vehicle (Ferrari esp…

EVs have a weight issue that fundamentally constrains their overall design. It is really a tough engineering problem to try to shave weight off of everything, because you are starting out with a 700kg battery replacing a 400kg engine + transmission, so you are ~300kg in the hole, and need to remove 300 kg from the rest of the car. That's why they do crazy stuff like use the battery as part of the structural frame, to…

Weight is a non-issue on a batter car because of regen braking.

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Post by MrBuddyCasino »

tiffanyh wrote: post #29

Porsche is the only car company that has nailed interior EV design - IMO. Their interiors look high-end, functional and not just a minimalist big computer screen. https://www.caranddriver.com/photos/g46528574/2024-porsche-m...

I can't believe Porsche would do the blue LED thing.

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Post by namdnay »

cumquat wrote: post #203
carefree-bob wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EVs have a weight issue that fundamentally constrains their overall design. It is really a tough engineering problem to try to shave weight off of everything, because you are starting out with a 700kg battery replacing a 400kg engine + transmission, so you are ~300kg in the hole, and need to remove 300 kg from the rest of the car. That's why they do crazy stuff like use the battery as part of the structural frame, to…

I think you are wrong on the "weight issue" regarding EV. ICE cars have a weight issue as they consume more gas depending on the weight, which is the case to a much lesser extent in BEV. At high speed, aerodynamics become the main factor reducing range. With urban stop and go traffic, regenerative braking lowers the weight's impact massively. BMW's i3 was constructed with the same mistake: let’s reduce weight to gain…

i think the discussion here is about performance/pleasure cars, where weight is a real handicap. not range or actual convenience
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