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Re: OpenClaw is changing my life

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Post by justonceokay »

croes wrote: post #229
mancerayder wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't you get bored with spending many years learning and becoming advanced or an expert in a system paradigm (like different hosting systems), a programming language (i.e. Perl), or a framework (pick your JS framework), only to have it completely obsoleted a few years later? And then in a job interview, when you try to sell yourself on your wisdom as expert on thing X, new to Y, they dismiss you because the 25 year…

> if you want to build big things, involving many people, you need to be in management. No, you don’t. You need some kind of decision making and communication process but a separate management is not necessary.

How will the widget get built if we don’t have someone stack ranking us?

Re: OpenClaw is changing my life

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Post by missingdays »

enraged_camel wrote: post #224
bakugo wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no code, there are no tools, there is no configuration, and there are no projects. This is an AI generated post likely created by going to chatgpt.com and typing in "write a blogpost hyping up [thing] as the next technological revolution", like most tech blog content seems to be now. None of those things ever existed, the AI made them up to fulfill the request.

There is zero evidence this is the case. You are making up baseless accusation, probably due to partisan motivations. edit: love the downvotes. I guess HN really is Reddit now. You can make any accusation without evidence and people are supposed to just believe it. If you call it out you get downvoted.

Is there any evidence the opposite is the case?

Re: OpenClaw is changing my life

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Post by mancerayder »

leetbulb wrote: post #218
mancerayder wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't you get bored with spending many years learning and becoming advanced or an expert in a system paradigm (like different hosting systems), a programming language (i.e. Perl), or a framework (pick your JS framework), only to have it completely obsoleted a few years later? And then in a job interview, when you try to sell yourself on your wisdom as expert on thing X, new to Y, they dismiss you because the 25 year…

Thank you for adding color. This is the exact reason why I want to get in to management. Sadly, I am just not cut out to manage people. Nowadays, my role is more of a hybrid between Principal and EM, which may be awkward at times. If it weren't for excellent PM & PgM, I'd be stretching myself too thin.

Why aren't you cut out?

It's a skill that takes practice -coordinating disparate people and groups, creating communication where you notice they're not talking to each other, creating or fixing processes that annoy or cause chaos if they're not there, encouraging people, being a therapist, seeing what's not there and pushing a vision while you get the group to go along, protecting people from management above and pressures around, etc are mostly skills that you learn.

Sometimes no one will give you feedback so you have to figure it out yourself (unless you're lucky to get a mentor), so you just have to throw yourself in and give yourself grace to fail and succeed over time.

The only skill of these I think is possibly genetic or innate, is being able to see the big picture and make strategical decisions. A lot of tech people skew cognitively in narrow areas, and have trouble conceptualizing the world beyond.

One challenge here is the ubiquitous 'managers just approve vacations and waste space' sentiment on here and in some places. These people are a chore to manage (and sometimes are better not being present in your group).

Re: OpenClaw is changing my life

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Post by yeeetz »

i-blis wrote: post #165

I have always failed to understand the obsessive dream of many engineers to become managers. It seems not to have to do merely with an increase in revenue. Is it really to escape from "getting bogged down in the specifics" and being able to "focus on the higher-level, abstract work", to quote OP's words? I thought naively that engineering always has been about dealing with the specifics and the joy of problem solving…

i like the aspect of engineering that's building useful or interesting or fun things for people, and i'll always experiment with new tech that facilitates that

Re: OpenClaw is changing my life

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Post by mancerayder »

justonceokay wrote: post #231
croes wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> if you want to build big things, involving many people, you need to be in management. No, you don’t. You need some kind of decision making and communication process but a separate management is not necessary.

How will the widget get built if we don’t have someone stack ranking us?

Since when do your line managers choose to stack rank?

Do you know what stank ranking even is and where it comes from? If you have to rate your group from 1 to 5, each individual, and you rate them all 4s and 5s, they crack down and force you to select a 2 and a 3 and only have one 5. Now, would you prefer a CFO, CTO or even a project manager be the one to do it? It's a weird comment.

Re: OpenClaw is changing my life

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Post by 1270018080 »

spoaceman7777 wrote: post #164

This was incredibly vague and a waste of time. What type of code? What types of tools? What sort of configuration? What messaging app? What projects? It answers none of these questions.

It reads like articles that pretended blockchain was revolutionary. Also the article itself seems like AI slop.

Re: OpenClaw is changing my life

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Post by mancerayder »

glaslong wrote: post #227
mancerayder wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't you get bored with spending many years learning and becoming advanced or an expert in a system paradigm (like different hosting systems), a programming language (i.e. Perl), or a framework (pick your JS framework), only to have it completely obsoleted a few years later? And then in a job interview, when you try to sell yourself on your wisdom as expert on thing X, new to Y, they dismiss you because the 25 year…

N=1 but I do love constantly learning new things, and building small, purposeful, tailored products with small groups of people. I've gone back and forth across the lead and management lines many times now, and it is career limiting in many many ways. But it's too fulfilling to give up. And I swear there is magic in what small, expert groups are able to produce that laps large org on the regular.

isn't that more a question of company size and industry (i.e. less regulated than healthcare and financial services) than whether management is good or bad?

I don't see why it contradicts my little rant above. Of course I also prefer small, nimble teams with lots of autonomy, with individuals who thrive being delegated only extremely broad tasks. The only part where I think there's a difference is the constantly learning.

I love constantly learning. My issue isn't that. It's that I don't want to HAVE to constantly be practicing at home and on the weekend. I did this in my 20s and I can't/won't do this anymore. I just have no time or energy now as an Old.

Re: OpenClaw is changing my life

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Post by dmvdoug »

spoaceman7777 wrote: post #164

This was incredibly vague and a waste of time. What type of code? What types of tools? What sort of configuration? What messaging app? What projects? It answers none of these questions.

Yeah, i’ve gone to the point where I will just stop reading AI posts after a paragraph or two if there are no specifics. The “it works!” / “no it doesn’t” genre is saturated with generality. Show, don’t tell, or I will default to believing you don’t have anything to show at all.

Re: OpenClaw is changing my life

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Post by mancerayder »

croes wrote: post #229
mancerayder wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't you get bored with spending many years learning and becoming advanced or an expert in a system paradigm (like different hosting systems), a programming language (i.e. Perl), or a framework (pick your JS framework), only to have it completely obsoleted a few years later? And then in a job interview, when you try to sell yourself on your wisdom as expert on thing X, new to Y, they dismiss you because the 25 year…

> if you want to build big things, involving many people, you need to be in management. No, you don’t. You need some kind of decision making and communication process but a separate management is not necessary.

Can you go into more detail?

Re: OpenClaw is changing my life

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Post by dmschulman »

spoaceman7777 wrote: post #164

This was incredibly vague and a waste of time. What type of code? What types of tools? What sort of configuration? What messaging app? What projects? It answers none of these questions.

Did they even end up launching and maintaining the project? Did things break and were they able to fix it properly? The amount of front-loaded fondness for this technology without any of the practical execution and follow up really bugs me.

It's like we all fell under the spell of a terminal endlessly printing output as some kind of measurement of progress.

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