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They're used more frequently, I couldn't imagine in python there's more examples of web servers from scratch then using flask or Django?
Frameworks provide a layer of abstraction, so the code is denser, which will use less tokens, and put less code in the prompt.
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>A significant number of developers and businesses are going to have an absolutely brutal rude awakening in the not too distant future. Correct. Those who wave away coding agents and refuse to engrain them into their workflows are going to be left behind in the dust.
> Correct. Those who wave away AI and refuse to engrain it into their workflows are going to be left behind in the dust. Similar to those who waved away crypto and are now left behind in the dust, yes?
Sorry, i don't buy this. There is a very good reason to use tried and tested frameworks. Am I "intellectually surrendering" when I use a compiler/language/framework that has a great track record?
And how is it not "intellectual surrender" to let the AI do the work for you?
A significant number of developers and businesses are going to have an absolutely brutal rude awakening in the not too distant future. You can build things this way, and they may work for a time, but you don't know what you don't know (and experience teaches you that you only find most stuff by building/struggling; not sipping a soda while the AI blurts out potentially secure/stable code). The hubris around AI is goi…
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I find that instructing AI to use frameworks yields better results and sets you up for a better outcome. I use Claude Code with both Django and React which its surprisingly good with. I rather use software thats tried and tested. The only time I let it write its own is when I want ultra minimal CSS.
This. For area where you can use tested and tried libraries (or tools in general) LLMs will generate better code when they use them. In fact, LLMs will be better than humans in learning new frameworks. It could end up being the opposite that frameworks and libraries become more important with LLMs.
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And there was a time when using libraries and frameworks was the right thing to do, for that very reason. But LLMs have the equivalent of way more experience than any single programmer, and can generate just the bit of code that you actually need, without having to include the whole framework.
I would like a more reliable way to activate this "way more experience." What I see in my own domain I often recognize as superficially working but flawed in various ways. I have to assume the domains I am less familiar are the same.
It definitely eliminates a lot of tedium, but needs a lot of guidance if you want good results.
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quite a bit of software you would need to understand the assembly. not everything is web-services.
I've found LLMs (since Opus 4.5) exceptionally good at reading and writing and debugging assembly. Give them gdb/lldb and have your mind blown!
Why have the agents redo all of that if it's not absolutely necessary? Which it probably isn't for ~98% of cases.
Also, the models are trained on code which predominantly uses frameworks, so it'll probably trend toward the average anyway and produce a variant of what already exists in frameworks.
In the cases where it might make sense, maybe the benefit then is the ability to take and use piecemeal parts of a framework or library and tailor it to your specific case, without importing the entire framework/library.