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Re: Microsoft open-sources LiteBox, a security-focused library OS

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Post by trimethylpurine »

mcmcmc wrote: post #229
trimethylpurine wrote: post #223

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Your commentary doesn't come off as honorable or righteous in any way to me. It comes off as self centered and self righteous. As if we all owe it to you to put you before our children. I don't know if that's your intention but that's what I'm reading. I genuinely hope you don't agree with that reading, because I doubt you'd have a nice life with that outlook. You'd be very unlikable.

What I’d consider unlikable is implying that someone might have no choice but to work for Microsoft in order to provide for their family. It carries with it an air of privilege and condescension implying that working a lesser job or for lesser pay would be insufficient to provide for a family’s basic needs.

What lesser job? People are unemployed after six months. Meanwhile MS hired other people for less to replace those that left. Nobody won here.

It's not about "lesser" jobs being actually lesser. The point is that you don't actually have a choice. Big companies that nobody likes are in control of the economy and you can't do anything except join the unemployed until you get rehired from the pool of desperate people willing to do their bidding.

(All of this with a grain of salt. Not literally everyone is in this situation, but there are certainly many who are.)

I'm just saying, maybe don't be so quick to judge.

Re: Microsoft open-sources LiteBox, a security-focused library OS

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Post by bigstrat2003 »

MatejKafka wrote: post #227
BrouteMinou wrote: post #129

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I am with you on that. HN is becoming a "14 years old edgy mini-tech" Facebook. "Microsoft bad, Linux good" kind of comments are all over the place. There is no more in depth discussions about projects anymore. Add the people linking their blogs only to sell you thier services for an imaginary problem, and you get HN 2026. It's maybe the time to find another tech media. If you know one, I would be glad to know.

Lobste.rs mostly are what HN used to be, with less focus on startup culture and more focus on hacking.

And with idiotic blocking of people based solely on the browser they use. They are small minded people over at lobster.rs.

Re: Microsoft open-sources LiteBox, a security-focused library OS

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Post by hulitu »

ymck wrote: post #213
workfromspace wrote: post #124

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Not op, and I generally agree with your assumption but not for Microsoft, as I don't think it's limited to Windows: Teams, Office (especially online), One Drive, SharePoint, Azure, GitHub, LinkedIn, all became very shitty and partially unusable with increasing number of weird bugs or problems lately.

And it's not just Microsoft. Apple and other are having the same issue. Something fundamental seems to have happened post Covid but before AI. WFH, flood of Dev hiring, increasingly hostile worker relations, a bunch of web 2.0 folks finally retiring, VC money drying up... take your pick. Software is just crappy these days.

> Something fundamental seems to have happened

It just became more visible: testing _is_ expensive and time consuming.

Re: Microsoft open-sources LiteBox, a security-focused library OS

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Post by mcmcmc »

trimethylpurine wrote: post #231
mcmcmc wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I’d consider unlikable is implying that someone might have no choice but to work for Microsoft in order to provide for their family. It carries with it an air of privilege and condescension implying that working a lesser job or for lesser pay would be insufficient to provide for a family’s basic needs.

What lesser job? People are unemployed after six months. Meanwhile MS hired other people for less to replace those that left. Nobody won here. It's not about "lesser" jobs being actually lesser. The point is that you don't actually have a choice. Big companies that nobody likes are in control of the economy and you can't do anything except join the unemployed until you get rehired from the pool of desperate people wi…

I’m not sure why you’re so set on taking away free will.

> you can't do anything except join the unemployed until you get rehired from the pool of desperate people willing to do their bidding.

So there is a choice then. Does unemployment kill you in some way? Is going to a food bank a death sentence? Can you not adjust your lifestyle spending to match a lower salary if it means getting a job sooner? Is there no way to save up for periods of unemployment so you can be choosy about your next job?

Everything you do in life is a choice.

Re: Microsoft open-sources LiteBox, a security-focused library OS

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Post by trimethylpurine »

mcmcmc wrote: post #234
trimethylpurine wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What lesser job? People are unemployed after six months. Meanwhile MS hired other people for less to replace those that left. Nobody won here. It's not about "lesser" jobs being actually lesser. The point is that you don't actually have a choice. Big companies that nobody likes are in control of the economy and you can't do anything except join the unemployed until you get rehired from the pool of desperate people wi…

I’m not sure why you’re so set on taking away free will. > you can't do anything except join the unemployed until you get rehired from the pool of desperate people willing to do their bidding. So there is a choice then. Does unemployment kill you in some way? Is going to a food bank a death sentence? Can you not adjust your lifestyle spending to match a lower salary if it means getting a job sooner? Is there no way t…

It's not a choice. Making kids eat from a food bank and sleep in a shelter is morally inferior to working at Microsoft. You're saying, repeatedly, that they should make your morally inferior choice and they deserve to be judged if they don't. Only a monster could call that a choice.

Look at yourself: >Having kids is also a bullshit excuse. Choosing comfort over conscience is your prerogative but you’re just teaching your kids the same values.

Your conscience tells you that children should be forced to sleep in shelters and eat from food banks just so that you won't have to see ads when you use Microsoft Windows.

Please DON'T teach anyone your values. Your moral compass points to the trash.

I'm out bro. Cheers.

Re: Microsoft open-sources LiteBox, a security-focused library OS

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Post by dspillett »

viraptor wrote: post #176
dspillett wrote: post #83

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> This isn't supposed to replace Windows, OP wasn't suggesting it was, just that the lack of quality in one significant area of the company's output leads to a lack of confidence in other products that they release.

Given anything the size of Microsoft, it's not a good assumption. MS has large research teams that produce really interesting things. Their output is unrelated to released products.

Companies want us to trust their things based on positive experiences with their other things, and that works both ways.

Re: Microsoft open-sources LiteBox, a security-focused library OS

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Post by aktau »

xjamesmorris wrote: post #45
aktau wrote: post #3

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More links with discussion: Reddit discussion: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1qw4r71/microsofts_n... Project lead James Morris announcing it on social.kernel.org: https://social.kernel.org/notice/B2xBkzWsBX0NerohSC

FYI, I am not the project lead for Litebox. It is led by Microsoft Research.

Sorry about that, I can no longer edit my comment.

Do you have any relation with the project apart from working at the same company?

Re: Microsoft open-sources LiteBox, a security-focused library OS

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Post by jph00 »

MadnessASAP wrote: post #97
jph00 wrote: post #76

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This is not due to slowness of the file system. Native ntfs tools are much faster than Unix ones in some situations. The issue is that running Unix software on windows will naturally have a performance impact. You see the same thing in reverse using Wine on Linux. Windows uses a different design for IO so requires software to be written with that design in mind.

It's pretty typical these days for software, particularly games of the DX9-11 eras to perform better on Wine/Proton then they do under native Windows on the same hardware.

They rarely are IO constrained.

Re: Microsoft open-sources LiteBox, a security-focused library OS

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Post by [deleted] »

9dev wrote: post #147
newsoftheday wrote: post #72

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> I've become increasingly paranoid about running any application on Windows (not that your average linux distro is even remotely better) Linux excels over Windows in the area of security by a wide margin, I have no qualms about running an app on Linux versus Windows, any day of the week.

And executable you run has access to any file in your home directory, including SSH private keys, secrets in config files, browser cookies, passkeys—all of it. That includes the thousands of npm modules installed as a transient dependency of at least one tool you use that brings node as a dependency. Windows at least has a proper ACL system; on Linux it just takes a single compromised executable to loose everything.

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