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ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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ICE will need to hit up Israel for that data.

Israeli companies are constantly working on spyware and advertising technologies.

Take a look at abominations such as the product Sherlock produced by Insanet:

https://www.theregister.com/2023/09/16/insanet_spyware/

https://cyberjustice.blog/2024/01/22/sherlock-the-terrifying...

There are loads of others.

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Here is another example of ICE directly working with Israeli Spyware companies.

"What Is ICE Doing With This Israeli Spyware Firm?"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/technology/software/what-is-ice-do...

The abuse to us normal people has to stop before we really organize and fix things.

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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It’s worth pointing out that a non-insignificant subset of tech workers know the impacts and still don’t give a fuck though.

@anoym - There isn’t something inherently bad about working for law enforcement or national security agencies as long as what you’re doing cannot be used now or in the future unethically. But too be honest I think this is a ‘don’t hate the player’ type things, if palantir didn’t exist, another company would take its place - privacy legislation is the only thing that prevents it, not relying on ethics of the masses.

Laws are a reflection of the collective ethics of the masses, or at least they should be in a democracy.

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Since i cant reply to your flagged comment above, ill do it here. > And I gotta ask, you think it's just two oceans, and what your experience is in the intelligence community field? Are you just assuming without knowing the inner workings? This depicts the distribution of refugees caused by iraq and afghan wars. Which, to remind you, were proudly based on lies. > https://www.unhcr.org/news/press-releases/iraqis-afgha…

Are you implying that refugees are terrorists? Also, according to any refugee agreement, you go to the first country of safe harbor. Not across the world. Why can’t they go back now, make Iraq great? Also, they arnt killing Americans anymore are they? We gave them everything we could. But the afghan army chose to just do drugs and do nothing and now their women can’t go to school and don’t have rights again.

No, im not implying that all refugees are terrorists. Just pointing out the obvious outcome of terror: people flee to savety.

There are still terror orgs seeking to destabilize the region, like israel or ISIS. Besides the destruction, thats at least one reason why you wouldnt want to go back.

But why can they stay? Maybe a familiy -- a life -- is a reason to stay too. Why is "why dont they go back" your initial reaction? Why do i have to remind you about that human element of migration? Are you implying all refugees are terrorists? Or are you a racist?

Id really would like to see your mind rn. How it tries to spin the convo to "but they are illegal aliens". Such a pitty that even you cant see it.

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Since there's quite a few people here working at US companies with access to lots of user data, but they may not have decision making capacity, I just thought I'll link the Simple Sabotage Field Manual, out of context and for no reason at all https://www.cia.gov/static/5c875f3ec660e092cf893f60b4a288df/... If some data is shared with an external entity, it likely needs to be included in a few usual disclaimers, with a…

Might I suggest to instead reflect on why you are working in an industry that collects all this data.

Money!

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Some people have absolutist takes on these sorts of things. If the stated purpose makes sense ("stop illegal immigration"), they will dismiss tragedies as routine accidents of an imperfect world. If they have no sense of when exceptions become intolerable and course-correction becomes necessary, then by definition, no amount of evidence will change their mind.

What if we believe that those shootings are completely unacceptable (probably criminal), but that “have no immigration enforcement and permanently halt deportations” is also unacceptable? The latter seems to be the solution being pushed by one party. Like always, the left’s problem is that their proposed solutions read like they were written by teenagers, based on emotions and dismissive of the reasons why their supp…

Then you're engaging in the black and white thinking fallacy.

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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No because employees are making the actual thing that inflicts harm while consumers' actions are completely diffused and many steps removed from the harm they cause. That's why ad-tech is so effective in the first place. Consumer pays $1.10 for a can of coke, $0.10 of that goes to ad-tech, the consumer watches some coke ads, ad-tech pays $0.05 to the publisher and the consumer receives $0.05 in benefits in the form o…

"The only way for consumers to avoid this " Or they could stop drinking coke? But I guess that is too much to ask.

You can avoid coke but approximately every brand in the supermarket is funding ad-tech. And even if you can find brands that don't, your supermarket is likely funding ad-tech to advertise itself so you can't go to there at all. Maybe you still have a farmer's market but chances are that they're advertising online.

You can't buy a car or any smartphones you've ever heard of, you won't find an ISP that doesn't advertise online, and good luck finding a decent job without supporting ad-tech.

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Hopefully this is a wakeup call to the software engineers and other employees at those companies - it's no longer a hypothetical future where the tools you are building might be abused, it's today.

It's a wakeup call: there's a lot of money in the mass surveillance industry

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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If you want job opportunities to open up to your children, perhaps you should invest in parenting that teaches them good values (like hard work and good attitude), education and sense of agency in place of hoping some government agency will kidnap and deport enough immigrants (many of which are legal, like you btw) for market to offer enough demand for them. The above point about „quality” of jobs „taken” by the immi…

You believe jobs are being taken and handed to deserving illegal immigrants because they have a better work ethic. I believe they are because investors are seeking ever greater returns no matter the cost to other others or even the long term sustainability of those very returns. This is the basis of our different positions.

If you believe investors are ruining the country, why do you want to deport millions of immigrants instead of investors?

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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German here, with little stakes in your shitshow. At no point during the obama years did I think: "Wow this looks just like the rise of the nazis!" Which was covered extensively during my history classes. Why did you even have all the school schootings if you don't use that stupid second ammendmend thing you have? This is the tyranical government you've all been waiting for.

If you are German, then you are probably blind to the similarities between current German politics and the Nazis, so this is not a good point of comparison.
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