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Re: Outlawed by Amazon DRM

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Its getting to the point where I am seriously considering closing my Amazon account. I just don't like the way it does business any more. Can anyone recommend a good online bookseller in the UK? Is Waterstones any good? The Guardian is running a story [1] today about how Amazon forces publishers to cover the cost of 20% VAT (sales tax) on ebook sales, even though it only pays 3% to the Luxembourg government (where it…

I'm a fan of foyles[1] and their selection and prices are quite good.

[1]http://www.foyles.co.uk/

Re: Outlawed by Amazon DRM

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I treat all E-books purchased with DRM as rentals. When making a decision whether to buy or not, I look at the price and consider whether I'm willing to pay this much to rent the book for an indeterminate amount of time, possibly as little as 3 months. Quite often it turns out that the price is too high. But I never delude myself that I actually "own" any of the DRM-restricted content that I paid for.

> I treat all E-books purchased with DRM as rentals. Good for you. Nobody else outside of HN does.

Nobody else outside of HN [treats DRM'd e-book purchases as rentals].

Which is why the court hearing in cases like this should be short, and brutal to Amazon.

Of course, they know that by being based in a different jurisdiction from the person they're screwing, such a case is unlikely to materialise. This is a problem with legal systems generally: low-value cases are rarely worth pushing through if you're not a lawyer, because it takes so long to figure out how to do it without that legal education that you've lost more than you ever stood to recover anyway. This is why consumer protection organisations with the weight of national governments behind them are necessary, but the idea hasn't caught up with the Internet yet.

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PhantomLobe replied to this comment: Wat? I've bought in .com, .ca, .co.uk, .fr and .es with (both) France and Spain based credit cards with no problems whatsoever. PhantomLobe, you were hellbanned* for making a comment that didn't fit the the community guidelines: http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Looking at your comment history, you don't seem to be a spammer or a troll, I think it is more that your second…

Hear, hear. I've been watching for hell-banned users for a few weeks now and from a random sample, some of the bannings are a little harsh. Maybe there should be a stage before hell-banning?

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Re: Outlawed by Amazon DRM

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Tangentially related, I am getting very, very tired of "customer service" departments using phrases like: "While we are unable to provide detailed information on how we link related accounts, please know that we have reviewed your account on the basis of the information provided and regret to inform you that it will not be reopened." This happens more frequently: Google says this all the time, based on posts here; Am…

She should next demand a copy of all information Amazon has on her under the Data Protection Act (1998), since that's what the Act is for.

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Defamy wouldn't apply as it's a private relationship. They're not broadcasting to the world that they think you're a con, they're just telling you... Which is fine.

Where are you getting that definition from? I have used Wikipedia for the definition of how one proves libel: There are several ways a person must go about proving that libel has taken place. For example, in the United States, first, the person must prove that the statement was false. Second, the person must prove that the statement caused harm. Third, the person must prove that the statement was made without adequat…

Telling her privately that her account is associated with a fraudulent account has not caused her any harm, thus its not libeled her.

Only if they published it to the world, she could claim her reputation has been harmed.

Re: Outlawed by Amazon DRM

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It seems that the Norwegian consumer protection agency have heard about this case and have started looking into it (link in Norwegian http://www.itavisen.no/904648/forbrukerraadet-helt-haarreise... ).

It's going to be interesting to see if they are able to get any traction on this. They actually might since her contact in Amazon seemed to be working for Amazon.co.uk, and Norway is part of the EU's inner market.

Re: Outlawed by Amazon DRM

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I have a physical library of about 5K books. Should he want to, my son will be able to read those books. The DRM'd books are a different story. I still want my son to be able to read them, but I have no assurance that the ebooks will be available to him fifteen years from now. So I yank the DRM from all of my Amazon purchases. These I put on backups. I do not share them. I would like to see legislation about the owne…

Is there support for this kind of legislation?

It seems like a common sense antecedent to the DMCA - if I'm legally prohibited from circumventing DRM, companies should be legally required to provide a means to shift that content to other media - failure to do this on request should void the DMCA's protections against unauthorized copying.

Re: Outlawed by Amazon DRM

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I've often wondered about the viability of students purchasing or renting textbooks for the Kindle. Just imagine the panic/terror that would ensue if a student's collection of textbooks just disappeared in the middle of a semester. If my collection of novels disappears, I'm inconvenienced. If my collection of textbooks disappears, my academic progress is severely jeopardized. Both seem extremely wrong as you mention,…

When Amazon remotely deleted 1984 from people's Kindles a few years ago a student lost the digital notes he had been creating as he was reading it for a class. He ended up suing Amazon, but I have no idea if it was ever resolved or if it's still ongoing.

Amazon settled fairly quickly: http://arstechnica.com/business/2009/10/amazon-stipulates-te...

The most interesting/relevant bit from the article "In it, Amazon's attorneys agreed to legally binding terms that describe its content deletion policy. When it comes to blog and periodical content, as well as software, Amazon retains the right to perform a remote delete. But when it comes to books, deletions will only occur under a limited number of circumstances: failed credit card transactions, judicial orders, malware, or the permission of the user."

Re: Outlawed by Amazon DRM

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Defamy wouldn't apply as it's a private relationship. They're not broadcasting to the world that they think you're a con, they're just telling you... Which is fine.

Where are you getting that definition from? I have used Wikipedia for the definition of how one proves libel: There are several ways a person must go about proving that libel has taken place. For example, in the United States, first, the person must prove that the statement was false. Second, the person must prove that the statement caused harm. Third, the person must prove that the statement was made without adequat…

The last one seems a little odd "the person must prove that the statement was made without adequate research into the truthfulness of the statement".

What is to stop somebody extensively researching something but then just deciding to lie anyway?

Re: Outlawed by Amazon DRM

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I think it's the computers. Most of the ghosts I see weren't trolls, just young accounts going far enough against the grain to get downvotes. If it's humans doing it, they are absurdly harsh.

How do you see them? I thought a hellbanned user couldn't be seen by anyone?

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