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Re: Celebrities say they are being censored by TikTok after speaking out against ICE

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Post by sgnelson »

iceflinger wrote: post #139

Not sure why this is flagged? One of the largest social media platforms in the industry changed ownership, its user base is noticing an unexplained change in functionality? Surely that warrants a discussion among tech people?

fascists are going to fascist. Dang et al will just look away and say. "we don't have any power over what our users do. Email us to let us know." Because apparently the mods don't visit their own website? They'll just keep their heads buried in the sand. Everything is fine as long as that sweet ycombinator check keeps getting cashed.

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Post by 0x3f »

orwin wrote: post #221
0x3f wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sort of and to varying degrees. Neoliberal is a funny one because it's used as a thoughtless pejorative by both the left and right. I've heard people say housing policy has failed because it's too neoliberal meaning too free market, and then other people say it's failed because it's too neoliberal i.e. too much government intervention. Neoliberalism is basically just markets-by-default and evidence-based alternatives…

> Neoliberalism is basically just markets-by-default and evidence-based alternatives when they fail. That's not though. I think the name is from the 'New classical school', oppose Keynesian economics. I think the meaning drifted to mean supply-side economics (direct inheritor from the Chicago school and the new classical school). Neoliberalism can't be 'evidence-based' when it rejects basic observation (like those fr…

Let's be honest, even being an MM theorist is a form of self selection that enables another kind of discussion. Neoliberal disagreement with MMT is categorically different from e.g. its disagreements with neocons or socdems in general. The latter are often just moral beliefs or running with first principles in a way that niche economic frameworks are not.

I think your criticism of it as not being 'evidence based' because it 'rejects basic observation' is emotive but fundamentally it's still a technical criticism, not a moral one. Neocon criticisms of neoliberalism (even if they misidentify what that means) revolve around the decay of traditional values, for example. Socdems around inequality (which to them is ipso facto bad).

Re: Celebrities say they are being censored by TikTok after speaking out against ICE

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Post by c420 »

theshrike79 wrote: post #186
iinnPP wrote: post #18

This isn't very compelling. It's 2 anecdotes and a pretty damning final paragraph. Is there any more reliable data?

Anecdata is strong, I have multiple cases myself just from browsing this morning. But I'm leaning towards incompetence. Some US generated stuff was most likely moved to Oracle shitboxes, causing encoding issues and unreliable streaming. ...or it's malice and they're scanning the data and intentionally throttling traffic for unwanted content.

Would the incompetence include deleting messages that used the word "Epstein"?

https://i.redd.it/2stz13v1bsfg1.jpeg

There are quite a few reports on Reddit of users having any dm using that word being deleted.

https://old.reddit.com/r/TikTok/comments/1qnxxgi/were_being_...

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Post by ErroneousBosh »

gadders wrote: post #97
ErroneousBosh wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have government-backed thugs with guns running around murdering people who take photos of them. You have something that looks worryingly like the Ceaușescu's Securitate "disappearing" citizens - including a little 5-year-old boy - off the streets. Justify that. Justify kidnapping a terrified little boy who should be at school with his friends, and locking him up in prison. Go on, justify those actions. Let's see…

ICE looked after the 5 year old boy after his father ran off and left him.

His father didn't "run off", he was chased off by violent thugs who had already murdered people.

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Post by [deleted] »

pickleglitch wrote: post #210
iceflinger wrote: post #139

Not sure why this is flagged? One of the largest social media platforms in the industry changed ownership, its user base is noticing an unexplained change in functionality? Surely that warrants a discussion among tech people?

There is another post about this exact topic on the front page: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46779809 So I can only assume this one is flagged because the source is pride.com Make of that what you will.

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Post by progbits »

ryandrake wrote: post #229
progbits wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cue the usual dang copypasta how there is no evidence of flag brigading, and how they "moderate less", and so on.

To be fair, dang's position has consistently been (and he posted as such yesterday[1]) that the flag brigading comes from two distinct groups: 1. Users who don't want to see "politics" and 2. Users who are partisan and want to hide politics they don't like. My view is that these are essentially the same group. "Not wanting to see politics" is itself just a partisan view in favor of whatever the Status Quo currently i…

Agreed.

Given the consistency and speed of flags though, I don't think #2 is just "organic" flagging.

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Post by tremon »

filoeleven wrote: post #150
rsynnott wrote: post #60

Celebrities should consider maybe not using social media things controlled by the regime? Like, other social media is available.

They will follow wherever the network effect goes, the same way that more influencers are posting to Bluesky in addition to Twitter now, and some of them are making the move entirely.

They're celebrities. The network will follow where they go.

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Post by joe_mamba »

saubeidl wrote: post #182
joe_mamba wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can't see anything about 11 bullets in the back of the head.

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

BEcause the water is poisoned ;)
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