Meanwhile, my cofounder is rewriting code we spent millions of salary on in the past by himself in a few weeks. I myself am saving a small fortune on design and photography and getting better results while doing it. If this is not all that well I can’t wait until we get to mediocre!
Let's be honest, Generative AI isn't going all that well
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Re: Let's be honest, Generative AI isn't going all that well
#232Earlier quoted context omitted.
Slice THEIR hands. They might say yours are rigged. I'm a non dev and the things I'm building blow me away. I think many of these people criticizing are perhaps more on the execution side and have a legitimate craft they are protecting. If you're more on the managerial side, and I'd say a trusting manager not a show me your work kind, then you're more likely to be open and results oriented.
From a developer POV, or at least my developer POV, less code is always better. The best code is no code at all. I think getting results can be very easy, at first. But I force myself to not just spit out code, because I've been burned so, so, so many times by that. As software grows, the complexity explodes. It's not linear like the growth of the software itself, it feels exponential. Adding one feature takes 100x t…
Re: Let's be honest, Generative AI isn't going all that well
#233Meanwhile, my cofounder is rewriting code we spent millions of salary on in the past by himself in a few weeks. I myself am saving a small fortune on design and photography and getting better results while doing it. If this is not all that well I can’t wait until we get to mediocre!
The problem is... you're going to deprive yourself of the talent chain in the long run, and so is everyone else who is switching over to AI, both generative like ChatGPT and transformative like the various translation, speech recognition/transcription or data wrangling models. For now, it works out for companies - but forward to, say, ten years in the future. There won't be new intermediates or seniors any more to re…
There are be plenty of self taught developers who didn't need any "traineeship". That proportion will increase even more with AI/LLMs and the fact that there are no more jobs for youngsters. And actually from looking at the purely toxic comments on this thread, I would say that's a good thing for youngsters to be not be exposed to such "seniors".
Credentialism is dead. "Either ship or shutup" should be the mantra of this age.
Re: Let's be honest, Generative AI isn't going all that well
#234Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Yes, you just break the book down by chapters or whatever conveniently fits in the context window to produce summaries such that all of the chapter summaries can fit in one context window. I've done that a few month ago and in fact doing just this will miss cross-chapter informations (say something is said in chapter 1, that doesn't appears to be important but reveals itself crucial later on, like "Chekhov's gun").…
in that case, why not summarize the previous chapters and then include that as context to the next chapter?
Re: Let's be honest, Generative AI isn't going all that well
#235Meanwhile, my cofounder is rewriting code we spent millions of salary on in the past by himself in a few weeks. I myself am saving a small fortune on design and photography and getting better results while doing it. If this is not all that well I can’t wait until we get to mediocre!
You sound like complete clones of us :-)
We’ve been at it since July and have built what used to take 3-5 people that long.
To the haters: I use TDD and review every line of code, I’m not an animal.
There’s just 2 of us but some days it feels like we command an army.
Re: Let's be honest, Generative AI isn't going all that well
#236Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sure, but think about what it's replacing. If you hired a human, it will cost you thousands a week. Humans will also fail at basic tasks, get stuck in useless loops, and you still have to pay them for all that time. For that matter, even if I'm not hiring anyone, I will still get stuck on projects and burn through the finite number of hours I have on this planet trying to figure stuff out and being wrong for a lot of…
Ya but what do you do when there are no humans left?
Re: Let's be honest, Generative AI isn't going all that well
#237COULD I do this stuff before? Sure. But I wouldn’t have. Life gets in the way. Now, the bar is low so why not build stuff? Some of it ships, some of it is just experimentation. It’s all building.
Trying to quantify that shift is impossible. It’s not a multiplier to productivity you measure by commits. It’s a builder mind shift.
Re: Let's be honest, Generative AI isn't going all that well
#238I wholeheartedly agree. Shitty companies steal art and then put out shitty products that shitty people use to spam us with slop. The same goes for code as well. I’ve explored Claude code/antigravity/etc, found them mostly useless, tried a more interactive approach with copilot/local models/ tried less interactive “agents”/etc. it’s largely all slop. My coworkers who claim they’re shipping at warp speed using generati…
Ah, Gary Marcus, the 10x ninja whose hand-crafted bespoke code singlehandedly keeps his employer in business.
Re: Let's be honest, Generative AI isn't going all that well
#239All I know is that I have built more in the past 10 months than I ever have. How do you quantify for the skeptics the mental shift that happens when you know you can just build stuff now? COULD I do this stuff before? Sure. But I wouldn’t have. Life gets in the way. Now, the bar is low so why not build stuff? Some of it ships, some of it is just experimentation. It’s all building. Trying to quantify that shift is imp…
Correction. The genAI has built it.
I haven't got any skin on either side here, but doesn't the fact the genAI can build it imply that what you are doing is heavily trodden ground, that there will be less and less need for developers like you, and will gradually lead to many developers (like you) being cut out of the market entirely.
For personal stuff it's wonderful. For work, it seems like a double edged sword that will eventually cut the devs that use it (and those that don't). Even if the business owners aren't completely daft and keep a (vastly diminished) workforce of dev/AI consultants on board, that could easily exclude you or me.
It's going well if all the jobs it eradicates can be replaced with just as many jobs (they can't), or the powers that be catch on and realise there isn't that many jobs left for humans to do and institute some form of basic income system (they won't).
Re: Let's be honest, Generative AI isn't going all that well
#240Earlier quoted context omitted.
My cofounder is an all the way competent engineer. Making this many assumptions would horrify someone halfway competent with logic though.
It's crazy how some people here will just make all the assumptions possible in order to refuse to believe you. Anyone who's used a good model with open code or equivalent will know that it's plausible. Refactoring is really cheap now when paired with someone competent. I'm doing the same as your co-founder currently. In a few days, I've rewritten old code that took previous employees months to do. Their implementatio…