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What a year of solar and batteries saved us in 2025

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Re: What a year of solar and batteries saved us in 2025

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Electric car battery degradation has been super interesting, in that they are going way further than people thought they might. Jonny Smith on youtube bought a 300k+ mile Tesla and the battery is at like 75% health. As far as I can tell if your battery isn't air cooled, it can go a very long way

There was some research[1] that strongly suggested that varied use makes them last much longer than the steady use that most battery tests do. That is, bursts of high-current draw followed by moderate draw etc vs the constant current load typically used when evaluating battery performance. From the paper: Specifically, for the same average current and voltage window, varying the dynamic discharge profile led to an in…

Huh, unexpected is right. Bursts of heavy usage being better for longevity than steady usage goes against pretty much all conventional engineering wisdom.

Re: What a year of solar and batteries saved us in 2025

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Where I am in California, there's a $30+/mo charge to connect to the grid, and the largest savings from a battery was being able to disconnect from the grid. There's lots of time I have excess power generation when I could give to the power grid, if I were connected, but I would have to pay extra to do so, so the potential goes unused.

Unfortunately no urban places allow you to remove from the grid.

Re: What a year of solar and batteries saved us in 2025

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> The batteries can fill up on the off-peak rate overnight at £0.07/kWh, and then export it during the peak rate for £0.15/kWh, meaning any excess solar production or battery capacity can be exported for a reasonable amount. Honestly I didn't know this was allowed. I recently got a heat pump and am on a time-of-use tariff ( https://octopus.energy/smart/cosy-octopus/ ) and have been thinking about pulling the plug on…

It benefits the grid to have people consume extra power when there's an oversupply, store it and give it back when there's undersupply. Why shouldn't it be allowed (even encouraged)?

Because of regulatory capture, only the big companies should be allowed to sell at retail and make profits.

Re: What a year of solar and batteries saved us in 2025

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There's going to be a bloodbath in that market in the next years. There are a lot of battery producers and most of them are not producing at full capacity. At the same time, manufacturing cost is dropping as well. Some battery makers are producing batteries at a cost level of around 60$ per kwh. At that cost, the 16kwh battery would come out below 1000$ (not the same obviously as the product price). Sodium ion might…

One thing to remember is as it becomes more widespread line costs will go up (assuming they are subsidized by kwh use, which they generally are) and no-sun power prices will increase as it's the only time when the grid needs power from non solar producers and they still need to cover cost incurred while they're not producing. That will push the economics towards completely off grid systems as more people adopt solar,…

My partner works in the field and we once talked about this. I think the idea is that individual consumers’ and businesses’ batteries can serve the grid as needed. For example, if your car is fully charged and you don’t need it today, it can top up local needs.

So I think the writing isn’t on the wall yet for line price going up, although I’m of course talking of a) Belgium, and b) a future that could go wrong if utilities don’t fund smart metering.

Re: What a year of solar and batteries saved us in 2025

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This is indeed nice for a well-to-do home. But there is a tragedy of the commons issue here. The grid needs to be up 24/7. And while peak usage is just that, the grid capacity still needs to support peak usage. This can theoretically be done using batteries but not for an extended amount of time. To say we can have batteries for 2 weeks of normal consumption is highly improbable. The metals do build those batteries d…

I don't see where anyone is proposing this as multiple-week storage for the whole grid?

That's why you're investigating hydro storage:

https://www.ess-news.com/2025/02/11/fortum-explores-new-pump...

Re: What a year of solar and batteries saved us in 2025

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> The batteries can fill up on the off-peak rate overnight at £0.07/kWh, and then export it during the peak rate for £0.15/kWh, meaning any excess solar production or battery capacity can be exported for a reasonable amount. Honestly I didn't know this was allowed. I recently got a heat pump and am on a time-of-use tariff ( https://octopus.energy/smart/cosy-octopus/ ) and have been thinking about pulling the plug on…

I just had Solaredge battery installed in my house in the UK (Had a solaredge PV and inverter so made sense even tho it was more than other setups). If you are up for a challenge https://springfall2008.github.io/batpred/ is AMAZING and basically optimises when to charge and discharge your battery. I've got a heat pump and think my paypack period is going to be about 6 years. Hit me up on bluesky (in profile) if you w…

Thanks! I will check out Solaredge. Biggest thing right now with the heat pumps is lack of consistency of software.

Just looking at Havenwise (https://www.havenwise.co.uk/) and my manufacturer isn't supported.

Re: What a year of solar and batteries saved us in 2025

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post #91

> The batteries can fill up on the off-peak rate overnight at £0.07/kWh, and then export it during the peak rate for £0.15/kWh, meaning any excess solar production or battery capacity can be exported for a reasonable amount. Honestly I didn't know this was allowed. I recently got a heat pump and am on a time-of-use tariff ( https://octopus.energy/smart/cosy-octopus/ ) and have been thinking about pulling the plug on…

A word of caution: It's worth factoring in battery depreciation. That 7p→15p arbitrage isn’t "free" profit: you pay round-trip losses and you burn cycle life. If you assume ~£X installed, ~Y usable kWh, ~Z cycles to 70–80% capacity, the wear cost alone is often several pence per kWh throughput, which can wipe out most of the spread.

Re: What a year of solar and batteries saved us in 2025

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That is still an enormous amount of electricity for a single family to consume.

He mentions that he has a server. It wouldn't surprise me if that consumes the majority of that.

People need to stop using the old Mac Pros for home servers, jeez.

Re: What a year of solar and batteries saved us in 2025

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Companies like Schneider electric have systems for 25-50% the hyped brands but they don't provide batteries. This is the company that owns APC so its not like theyre new or untested. They just don't bother with brand awareness

Its weird to read about Schneider Electric not bothering with brand awareness. They aren't a household brand, sure, but they are well up there with Siemens and the like in industrial/b2b sector and their marketing budget is allocated accordingly.

All they did was buy up everyone's else brand and put their brand over it. Modicon PLC's, Magnecraft relays, etc.
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