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Re: ChatGPT Health

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Post by emptysongglass »

_qua wrote: post #101
fnoef wrote: post #65

I’m kind of torn on this. From one side, I can’t seem to trust doctors any more. I recently had a tooth removed (by the advice of two different doctors), in a claim that it will resolve my pain, which it did not, and now 3 different doctors don’t know what’s causing my pain. Most doctor advice boil down to drink some water and take a painkiller, while glancing for 15 seconds at my medical history before they dedicate…

> Most doctor advice boil down to drink some water and take a painkiller Forgive my brusqueness here, but this could only be written by someone who has not yet been seriously ill.

I mean, unless you have a life-threatening emergency, it's the way the entire Danish healthcare system runs.

Re: ChatGPT Health

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Post by SkyPuncher »

fnoef wrote: post #65

I’m kind of torn on this. From one side, I can’t seem to trust doctors any more. I recently had a tooth removed (by the advice of two different doctors), in a claim that it will resolve my pain, which it did not, and now 3 different doctors don’t know what’s causing my pain. Most doctor advice boil down to drink some water and take a painkiller, while glancing for 15 seconds at my medical history before they dedicate…

I’m married to a doctor. We both complain about the medical system. It’s terrible. One of my biggest complaints is doctors seem to have no clue how to get symptoms out of patients in a way that translates to diagnosis.

I’ve had longstanding GI issues. I have no idea how to describe my symptoms. They sure seem like a lot of things, so I bring that list to my doc and I’m met with “eh, sounds weird”.

By contrast, I solved my issues via a few sessions with Claude. I was able to rattle off a whole list of symptoms, details about how it’s progressed, diets I’ve tried, recent incidents, supplements/meds I’ve taken. It comes up with hypothesis, research references, and forum discussions (forums are so useful for understanding - even if they can be dangerously wrong). We dive into the science of those leading causes to understand the biochemistry involved. That leads to a really deep understanding of what we can test.

Turns out there’s a very clear correlation with histamine levels and the issues I deal with. I realize a bunched stuff that I thought was healthy (and is for most people) is probably destroying my health. I cut those out and my GI issues have literally disappeared. Massively, massive life improvement with a relatively simple intervention (primarily just avoiding chicken and eggs).

I tell my doctor this and it’s just a blank stare “interesting”.

Re: ChatGPT Health

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Post by dash2 »

midldei wrote: post #217
cyberpunk wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m definitely a privacy fist person, but can you explain how health data could hurt you, besides obvious things like being discriminated against for insurance if you have a drug habit or whatever. Like, i’m a fitness conscious 30 something white male, what risk is there of my appendix operation being common knowledge or that i need more iron or something?

> i’m a fitness conscious 30 something white male Right. So able bodied, and the gender and race least associated with violence from the state. > being discriminated against for insurance if you have a drug habit "drug habit", Why choose an example that is often admonished as a personal failing? How about we say the same, but have something wholly, inarguably, outside of your control, like race, be the discriminating…

These points seem to be arguments against giving your health data to anybody, not just to an AI company.

Re: ChatGPT Health

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Post by dash2 »

Specifically as someone in the UK, where doctors are free but extremely hard to get hold of, this is quite interesting to me.

Re: ChatGPT Health

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Post by dash2 »

bawana wrote: post #193
browningstreet wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I vibe coded an app and recorded all the things happening to my 50-something body. I shared that list with a few MDs -- they were useless. They literally can't handle anything except acute cases. It's like telling someone to ask their doctor about nutrition. It's not in their scope any longer. They'll tell you to try things and figure it out. The US medical industry abdicated their thing a long time ago. Doctors do s…

Medical training is designed to produce operators who will add value to corporate health systems - prescribe pills, do procedures, or anything that can generate 'billable hours'. Actually educating patients to be healthy will only reduce corporate health system profits. Why do you think we have been fighting the 'war on cancer' since the 60s? Now 'personalized medicine' and synthetic peptide and complex immunotherapi…

> Why do you think we have been fighting the 'war on cancer' since the 60s?

Actually, we have made huge progress in the war on cancer, so this example doesn’t seem to support your narrative.

Re: ChatGPT Health

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Post by noosphr »

piva00 wrote: post #55
roger_ wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand enough about these systems to know they’re not perfect but I agree some people might be misled. But I don’t know if I should be denied access because of those people.

> But I don’t know if I should be denied access because of those people. That's the majority of people though, if you really think that I assume you wouldn't have a problem with needing to be licenced to have this kind of access, right?

Are we at the level of needing a license to read a medical textbook too?

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Post by ipdashc »

MattDaEskimo wrote: post #29
roger_ wrote: post #22

I personally don’t care who has access to my health data, but I understand those who might. Either way, I’m excited for some actual innovation in the personal health field. Apple Health is more about aggregating data than actually producing actionable insights. 23andme was mostly useless. Today I have a ChatGPT project with my health history as a system prompt and it’s been very helpful. Recently I snapped a photo of…

I'm sorry, but seriously? How could you not care who has your health data? I think the more plausible comment is "I've been protected my whole life by health data privacy laws that I have no idea what the other side looks like". Quite frankly, this is even worse as it can and will override doctors orders and feed into people's delusions as an "expert".

I'm in the same boat as them, I honestly wouldn't care that much if all my health data got leaked. Not saying I'm "correct" about this (I've read the rest of the thread), just saying they're not alone.

It's always been interesting to me how religiously people manage to care about health data privacy, while not caring at all if the NSA can scan all their messages, track their location, etc. The latter is vastly more important to me. (Yes, these are different groups of people, but on a societal/policy level it still feels like we prioritize health privacy oddly more so than other sorts of privacy.)

Re: ChatGPT Health

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Post by beaugunderson »

zdragnar wrote: post #223
beaugunderson wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who was recently injured and waited three months to see a specialist in Seattle, these lines were not helpful ("yes, you should make an appointment"). The only way I was able to see someone was to write a script that blew up my phone when I got a cancellation window email (the first two I missed even though I responded within 30 seconds).

Yeah, those lines are for triage, not specialty care. It's nice when you've got an infant and are a new parent and everything is terrifying, or a fever and want to know if it is bad enough to warrant going in somewhere.

Exactly, they're not an alternative to a doctor, which is the point... it's nearly impossible to see a provider these days if you don't have a pre-existing relationship. I moved recently and finding a PCP who is accepting new patients is also maddening.

Re: ChatGPT Health

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Post by RobinL »

dash2 wrote: post #234

Specifically as someone in the UK, where doctors are free but extremely hard to get hold of, this is quite interesting to me.

Another interesting aspect is that the NHS app makes all your detailed health history (doctors notes, scan results etc.) available to you as the patient.

Which in turn means you have the option of feeding it into ChatGPT. This feels potentially very valuable and a nice way of working around issues with whether doctors themselves are allowed to do it.

I'm not sure this applies to every surgery, but certainly my dad had access to everything immediately when he had a scan.

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Post by nprateem »

roger_ wrote: post #22

I personally don’t care who has access to my health data, but I understand those who might. Either way, I’m excited for some actual innovation in the personal health field. Apple Health is more about aggregating data than actually producing actionable insights. 23andme was mostly useless. Today I have a ChatGPT project with my health history as a system prompt and it’s been very helpful. Recently I snapped a photo of…

Unless you're a doctor you don't know what it's made up though.

That's the trouble with AI. You can only be impressed if you know a subject well enough to know it's not just bullshitting like usual.

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