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Re: 50% of U.S. vinyl buyers don't own a record player

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Post by sorushn »

anovikov wrote: post #222
compiler-devel wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It’s a lot of plastic. A lot of waste. And yet again customer demand and financial gain supercede environmental concerns. There’s no hope for a better, less consumer-oriented culture if even the indie creatives among us acknowledge the problem yet succumb to it.

Less consumer-oriented culture demands brainwashing, totalitarianism and terror, to force people to not do things they naturally want to, when there is a capability for doing that (if there's no capability, a nation will be physically overwhelmed by other nations and cease to exist/replaced)...

>> Less consumer-oriented culture demands brainwashing

It simply requires putting a stop to the constant brainwashing campaigns for inducing demand.

>> do things they naturally want to

collecting Stanley tumblers is not a "natural" tendency.

Re: 50% of U.S. vinyl buyers don't own a record player

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Post by samiv »

Loughla wrote: post #151
garciasn wrote: post #146

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Gen X. Own a record player. Listen to vinyl as “intentional listening” and love the album cover art. My daughter (Gen Z/A) could play her albums but doesn’t. She puts them on display in her room. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I own a very nice record player. Absolutely love listening to vinyl while looking at the cover art (Jethro Tull has the best album art and I'll fight anyone who disagrees). For me it's a time machine back to my childhood. We grew up poor and couldn't afford tapes and then CD's. We had thrift store vinyl albums. For my kids, vinyl was this weird thing that sounded scratchy. Then they grew up and found that the plethor…

I'll bite... Slayer - Divine Intervention

Re: 50% of U.S. vinyl buyers don't own a record player

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Post by autoexec »

Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #121
microtonal wrote: post #44

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I was going to ask, when are the youngsters going to discover CDs? Much less prone to degradation to vinyl, lossless ripping, superior quality.

I am the youngster in this case and I am going to tell you something but we really need to move off of spotify. I never really got onto spotify. I was always the youtube kind of guy, although I recently started listening to youtube music when I realized that my youtube feed was being impacted and youtube music's a better way to listen I guess We really need to get to pen-drives first before CD as well I guess. Like d…

> If someone is forced to buy a CD player just to play CD's, it just adds more friction

I recently had a relative complain that they have to find and buy a CD player to listen to their music when they aren't in the car. I pointed out that they already have several in their home. Multiple game consoles and their bluray player supported playing CDs. The loss of CD drives in computers is unfortunate, but the format is still supported in a lot of devices that take disks.

Re: 50% of U.S. vinyl buyers don't own a record player

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Post by danielbln »

anovikov wrote: post #222
compiler-devel wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It’s a lot of plastic. A lot of waste. And yet again customer demand and financial gain supercede environmental concerns. There’s no hope for a better, less consumer-oriented culture if even the indie creatives among us acknowledge the problem yet succumb to it.

Less consumer-oriented culture demands brainwashing, totalitarianism and terror, to force people to not do things they naturally want to, when there is a capability for doing that (if there's no capability, a nation will be physically overwhelmed by other nations and cease to exist/replaced)...

Is this some libertarian/randian take?

There are many things people naturally want to do that we regulate and steer away from via many different means (smoking bans, traffic laws, etc.).

You do realize we don't live in an objectivist society, right?

Re: 50% of U.S. vinyl buyers don't own a record player

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Post by microtonal »

cm2012 wrote: post #128
microtonal wrote: post #66

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It also feels good to physically have and own something. I gave all my CDs (probably more than a 1000) away about a decade ago. I find physical media annoying, they take up space and require more effort to use them. All those CDs became more of a burden. I guess it's because I grew up with cassette tapes, portable tape players, then CDs, then Discman, then Discman with buffering. Having gone through all of that, bein…

Surprisingly, chat GPT is amazing at recommendations. (I guess that it is also an algorithm). But it recommended me some great artists and explained why I might like them.

Word-of-mouth recommendations worked better across genres. I want great, unique, high-quality music, not necessarily music that is similar to what I already listen to.

Re: 50% of U.S. vinyl buyers don't own a record player

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Post by Alconicon »

RileyJames wrote: post #185
superultra wrote: post #129

I oversee pressing for over 150k+ records a year. We eliminated download cards a while ago because the redemption rate was so low. I wouldn’t doubt if the number of buyers who don’t own a record player is even higher tha 50%, and that the percentage of people who actually play the records is actually 10-20%. I don’t have data on that, it’s just a hunch. Many of us in the indie music industry (hip hop sustained record…

I’ve been buying vinyl for the sake of collecting it, with limited intention to ever play it. And I’ve been wondering why would anyone buy the cassette or CD? (And I own more cassette players than the zero vinyl players) I recently found out that some of my favourite vinyls, that I’ve been collecting, ONLY include the art/lyrics booklet in the CD version. These are from the early 2000’s (peak cd?). I reckon I’d buy a…

So you go to work, earn money, then you buy yourself some object to put it in a shelf?

And thats basically it?

You are not even playing it?

To do what with it? Letting your kids/family sell your collection with a loss?

Is it background decoration for you? Couldn't you just buy bulk of Vinyl no one wants to use it for your decoration purposes?

That feels like consumerism at the peak.

Re: 50% of U.S. vinyl buyers don't own a record player

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Post by Alconicon »

Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #121
microtonal wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was going to ask, when are the youngsters going to discover CDs? Much less prone to degradation to vinyl, lossless ripping, superior quality.

I am the youngster in this case and I am going to tell you something but we really need to move off of spotify. I never really got onto spotify. I was always the youtube kind of guy, although I recently started listening to youtube music when I realized that my youtube feed was being impacted and youtube music's a better way to listen I guess We really need to get to pen-drives first before CD as well I guess. Like d…

No we don't.

We should stop fantasizing about CDs and Vinyl and shit and just enjoying listen to music.

And if we think we need tokens in the real world, make them yourself or buy that one vinyl.

Re: 50% of U.S. vinyl buyers don't own a record player

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Post by anovikov »

sorushn wrote: post #231
anovikov wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Less consumer-oriented culture demands brainwashing, totalitarianism and terror, to force people to not do things they naturally want to, when there is a capability for doing that (if there's no capability, a nation will be physically overwhelmed by other nations and cease to exist/replaced)...

>> Less consumer-oriented culture demands brainwashing It simply requires putting a stop to the constant brainwashing campaigns for inducing demand. >> do things they naturally want to collecting Stanley tumblers is not a "natural" tendency.

Well... if we had a constant stream of inventions so that people will always have things they'd love to have but struggle to afford, then there won't be a need to induce demand. But we don't have nearly enough: people have more spare cash than inventions they want, are produced every year.

If we don't induce demand by brainwashing, what will people do? They will keep inflating bubbles buying up stocks (making economy even more unstable, and eventually undermining themselves), houses (making sure new generations can't buy theirs, depressing birth rates and giving rise to political radicalism), and crypto (which is absolute insanity). People need to be given ways to spend their spare cash, and nudged to do it as opposed to "investing" that cash (which is, in the true meanin of this word, mostly impossible because there aren't enough inventions to invest into).

Re: 50% of U.S. vinyl buyers don't own a record player

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Post by rsynnott »

Ray20 wrote: post #89
toomuchtodo wrote: post #41

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There are overwhelming examples of people who continue to work when all of their basic needs are met. Some work because they love to, some work because they have to; we, collectively, should be trying as hard as possible to make work optional (automation, etc), because the point of life is to live, not to work. Some combination of Abundance [1], Solarpunk [2], etc. The entire planet will eventually be in population d…

> people who continue to work when all of their basic needs are met There are no such things as "basic needs". If people can easily satisfy their basic needs, they simply expands this concept until it ceases to be easily satisfied In other words, abundance is a myth promoted by mentally ill cultists, and meeting the basic needs of all people is unattainable.

… Eh? Are you contending that peoples’ lifestyles necessarily expand to compensate for higher earnings? I mean, that’s definitely not true.
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