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OpenAI's cash burn will be one of the big bubble questions of 2026

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Re: OpenAI's cash burn will be one of the big bubble questions of 2026

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I will add that there's also Gemini in Chrome. With Chrome being the largest browser by market share, that's a powerful de facto default.

> With Chrome being the largest browser by market share, that's a powerful de facto default. where art thou anti-trust enforcement...

Every personal computer user except Chromebook users went out of their way to download Chrome. What exactly do you want “anti trust” to do?

Re: OpenAI's cash burn will be one of the big bubble questions of 2026

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AI is going to be a highly-competitive, extremely capital-intensive commodity market that ends up in a race to the bottom competing on cost and efficiency of delivering models that have all reached the same asymptotic performance in the sense of intelligence, reasoning, etc. The simple evidence for this is that everyone who has invested the same resources in AI has produced roughly the same result. OpenAI, Anthropic,…

> There's no evidence of a technological moat or a competitive advantage in any of these companies. I disagree based on personal experience. OpenAI is a step above in usefulness. Codex and GPT 5.2 Pro have no peers right now. I'm happy to pay them $200/month. I don't use my Google Pro subscription much. Gemini 3.0 Pro spends 1/10th of the time thinking compared to GPT 5.2 Thinking and outputs a worse answer or ignore…

I use both and ChatGPT will absolutely glaze me. I will intentionally say some BS and ChatGPT will say “you’re so right.” It will hilariously try to make me feel good.

But Gemini will put me in my place. Sometimes I ask my question to Gemini because I don’t trust ChatGPT’s affirmations.

Truthfully I just use both.

Re: OpenAI's cash burn will be one of the big bubble questions of 2026

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The value of YouTube for AI isn't making AI videos, it's that it's an incredibly rich source for humanity's current knowledge in one place. All of the tutorials, lectures, news reports, etc. are great for training models.

Is that actually a moat? Seems like all model providers managed to scrape the entire textual internet just fine. If video is the next big thing I don’t see why they won’t scrape that too.

And we're probably already starting to see that, given the semirecent escalations in game of cat and also cat of youtube and the likes of youtube-dl.

Reminds me of Reddit's cracking down on API access after realizing that their data was useful. But I'd expect both youtube to be quicker on the gun knowing about AI data collection, and have more time because of the orders of magnitude greater bandwidth required to scrape video.

Re: OpenAI's cash burn will be one of the big bubble questions of 2026

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Not sure why they put so much investment into videoSlop and imageSlop. Anthropic seems to be more focused at least.

Because OpenAI stands for AI leader. If Gemini can create or edit an image, chatgpt needs to be able to do this too. Who wants to copy&paste prompts between ai agents? Also if you want to have more semantics, you add image, video and audio to your model. It gets smarter because of it. OpenAI is also relevant bigger than antropic and is known as a generic 'helper'. Antropic probably saw the benefits of being more focu…

> Because OpenAI stands for AI leader.

It'll just end up spreading itself too thin and be second or third best at everything.

The 500lb gorilla in the room is Google. They have endless money and maybe even more importantly they have endless hardware. OpenAI are going to have an increasingly hard time competing with them.

That Gemini 3 is crushing it right now isn't the problem. It's Gemini 4 or 5 that will likely leave them in the dust for the general use case, meanwhile specialist models will eat what remains of their lunch.

Re: OpenAI's cash burn will be one of the big bubble questions of 2026

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For what I use them for, the LLM market has become a two player game, and the players are Anthropic and Google. So I find it quite interesting that OpenAI is still the default assumption of the leader.

Interestingly Claude is so far down in traffic it's below things like CharacterAI, it's the best model but it's something like 70% ChatGPT, 10% Gemini and Claude is only 1% or so

Re: OpenAI's cash burn will be one of the big bubble questions of 2026

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2008: US Banks pump stocks -> market correction -> taxpayer bailout 2026: US AI companies pump stocks -> market correction -> taxpayer bailout Mark my words. OpenAI will be bailed out by US taxpayers.

I'll take that bet. Banks get bailed out because if confidence in the banking system disappears and everyone tries to withdraw their money at once, the whole economy seizes up. And whoever is Treasury Secretary (usually an ex Wall Street person) is happy to do it. I don't see OpenAI having the same argument about systemic risk or the same deep ties into government.

Even in a bank bailout, the equity holders typically get wiped out. It's really not that different from a bankruptcy proceeding, there's just a whole lot more focus on keeping the business itself going smoothly. I doubt OpenAI want to be in that kind of situation.

Re: OpenAI's cash burn will be one of the big bubble questions of 2026

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"AI is going to be a highly-competitive" - In what way? It is not a railroad and the railroads did not explode in a bubble (OK a few early engines did explode but that is engineering). I think LLM driven investments in massive DCs is ill advised.

Yes they did, at least twice in the 19th century. It was the largest financial crisis before 1929

It did. I question the issue of "what problem am I trying to solve" with AI, though. Transportation across a huge swath of land had a clear problem space, and trains offered a very clear solution; created dedicated railing and you can transport 100x the resources at 10x the speed of a horseman (and I'm probably underselling these gains). In times where trekking across a continent took months, the efficiencies in communication and supply lines are immediately clear.

AI feels like a solution looking for a problem. Especially with 90% of consumer facing products. Were people asking for better chatbots, or to quickly deepfake some video scene? I think the bubble popping will re-reveal some incredible backend tools in tech, medical, and (eventually) robotics. But I don't think this is otherwise solving the problems they marketed on.

Re: OpenAI's cash burn will be one of the big bubble questions of 2026

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AI is going to be a highly-competitive, extremely capital-intensive commodity market that ends up in a race to the bottom competing on cost and efficiency of delivering models that have all reached the same asymptotic performance in the sense of intelligence, reasoning, etc. The simple evidence for this is that everyone who has invested the same resources in AI has produced roughly the same result. OpenAI, Anthropic,…

> There's no evidence of a technological moat or a competitive advantage in any of these companies. I disagree based on personal experience. OpenAI is a step above in usefulness. Codex and GPT 5.2 Pro have no peers right now. I'm happy to pay them $200/month. I don't use my Google Pro subscription much. Gemini 3.0 Pro spends 1/10th of the time thinking compared to GPT 5.2 Thinking and outputs a worse answer or ignore…

I still find it so fascinating how experiences with these models are so varied.

I find codex & 5.2 Pro next to useless and nothing holds a candle to Opus 4.5 in terms of utility or quality.

There's probably something in how varied human brains and thought processes are. You and I likely think through problems in some fundamentally different way that leads to us favouring different models that more closely align with ourselves.

No one seems to ever talk about that though and instead we get these black and white statements about how our personally preferred model is the only obvious choice and company XYZ is clearly superior to all the competition.

Re: OpenAI's cash burn will be one of the big bubble questions of 2026

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> There's no evidence of a technological moat or a competitive advantage in any of these companies. I disagree based on personal experience. OpenAI is a step above in usefulness. Codex and GPT 5.2 Pro have no peers right now. I'm happy to pay them $200/month. I don't use my Google Pro subscription much. Gemini 3.0 Pro spends 1/10th of the time thinking compared to GPT 5.2 Thinking and outputs a worse answer or ignore…

I use both and ChatGPT will absolutely glaze me. I will intentionally say some BS and ChatGPT will say “you’re so right.” It will hilariously try to make me feel good. But Gemini will put me in my place. Sometimes I ask my question to Gemini because I don’t trust ChatGPT’s affirmations. Truthfully I just use both.

I told ChatGPT via my settings that I often make mistakes and to call out my assumptions. So now it

1. Glazes me 2. Lists a variety of assumptions (some can be useful / interesting)

Answers the question

At least this way I don't spend a day pursuing an idea the wrong way because ChatGPT never pointed out something obvious.

Re: OpenAI's cash burn will be one of the big bubble questions of 2026

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post #139

AI is going to be a highly-competitive, extremely capital-intensive commodity market that ends up in a race to the bottom competing on cost and efficiency of delivering models that have all reached the same asymptotic performance in the sense of intelligence, reasoning, etc. The simple evidence for this is that everyone who has invested the same resources in AI has produced roughly the same result. OpenAI, Anthropic,…

AI is capital intensive because autodiff kinda sucks.
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