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I'm a laptop weirdo and that's why I like my new Framework 13

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Re: I'm a laptop weirdo and that's why I like my new Framework 13

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Post by cogman10 »

Wingman4l7 wrote: post #223
cogman10 wrote: post #74

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FWIW, I have a 5 year old dell XPS whose battery I could both find an replace easily. That is one of the advantages of the bigger name brands, replacement parts are generally a lot easier to find.

Yeah, but is it OEM? Even big names like Dell don't support their parts for that long, and you have to resort to getting sketchy third-party parts from China, or rolling the dice on a used OEM part.

Yes. I bought it directly from dell.com

https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-97-wh-6-cell-lithium-io...

Re: I'm a laptop weirdo and that's why I like my new Framework 13

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Post by maelito »

astra1701 wrote: post #49

The really special thing about Frameworks is that you can quickly buy and replace basically any part, not just the usual RAM and SSD -- case in point, when I managed to damage my FW13's keyboard such that it was no longer usable, I could just... go straight to Framework's website and buy a new one for $40. And, I even had the option of a slightly improved one, that shed the Windows key and lacked the god-awful copilo…

Just broke my control key. They're sending me a new keyboard (well the whole cover as chznging the keyboard is hard) as part of the EU garantee.

Awesome. My last laptop had the same problem but the repair employee broke the whole computer when he came to replace the keyboard. Dell then did not want to accept their fault.

Vive le framework.

Re: I'm a laptop weirdo and that's why I like my new Framework 13

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Post by LTL_FTC »

nomel wrote: post #219
moltopoco wrote: post #61

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Being able to replace the keyboard is especially wonderful because laptops are usually "region-locked". I know people who use relatively unpopular layouts relative to where they live, and it makes it harder to buy and much harder to sell their Macs.

what do you mean? If you get the key caps, they're trivially swapped. I use Dvorak, and I've swapped keys for every generation of keyboard over the last 10 years. Once swapped, the layout can be set system wide.

I think they mean different regions have physically different layouts. I supported users in different countries and know that French layouts are different than Hebrew layouts which are different from English layouts and so on. Trying to buy different key caps doesn’t give the user a native layout because the shapes of the layouts are somewhat different.

Re: I'm a laptop weirdo and that's why I like my new Framework 13

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Post by systemtest »

nrp wrote: post #62
Etheryte wrote: post #58

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I can't even recall when I last needed USB-A, literally everything I have uses USB-C (or bluetooth for mouse and keyboard). What do you use it for?

USB-A is our second most popular Expansion Card after USB-C (and before HDMI), so certainly people are using it for something!

Perhaps because Framework users are a bit more geeky and are more likely to use older hardware that still has USB-A?

USB-A is like what DB9 was. Easy to use, easy to plug-in, used on most devices. But there comes a point in time where we move on to the next connector, which is USB-C.

Most of my hardware is younger than ten years and everything has USB-C. I had a night light with micro-USB still but that was one of the last devices with a legacy port.

Re: I'm a laptop weirdo and that's why I like my new Framework 13

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Post by systemtest »

bluescrn wrote: post #137
Etheryte wrote: post #58

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I can't even recall when I last needed USB-A, literally everything I have uses USB-C (or bluetooth for mouse and keyboard). What do you use it for?

Most flash drives and wired mice/keyboards are still USB-A. And people have huge piles of charging cables that are USB-A to micro/mini USB or USB-C.

I assume you are talking about legacy devices? I haven't purchased a keyboard in the past ten years with USB-A. Everything is USB-C for charging/data and Bluetooth.

Re: I'm a laptop weirdo and that's why I like my new Framework 13

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Post by systemtest »

makeitdouble wrote: post #132
Etheryte wrote: post #58

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I can't even recall when I last needed USB-A, literally everything I have uses USB-C (or bluetooth for mouse and keyboard). What do you use it for?

Bluetooth is too flaky for such critical inputs. Dongles will usually bring higer polling, less interference/2.4Ghz connectivity and lower load on the host system. Sadly most are USB-A plugs. Bluetooth being cnstantly used for audio and so many other things as well might also be at play ?

Isn't that more due to the Bluetooth hardware used and implementation on the OS side? On macOS I never had flakyness with Bluetooth keyboards but on Windows my experience was significantly worse.

Re: I'm a laptop weirdo and that's why I like my new Framework 13

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Post by gessha »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #225
Ritewut wrote: post #199

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I had a Framework mainboard die and I was able to replace it myself with a free replacement they sent me without need to throw away the laptop. The economics make sense when you consider they don't get the priority for chips or the volume discounts that a company like Dell would get from AMD or Intel. They are getting scraps and doing what they can to make it work.

Is that a viable business model though? That they’ll always be a niche supplier with low-vokume issues, seems like a tough market. In fact, I think Dell or HP or Other could demolish Framework in a 1/2 second by offering a line that was even 50% the offering. By focusing on replaceable screens, keyboard, and standing the chassis for multiple boards and selling some parts they dry up FW’s moat with little effort.

The same companies that can’t make a proper website to sell their products? Please. Framework’s got it in the bag.

I don’t remember the number of times I typed dell.com or Lenovo.com, looked for a replacement for my 10-year old XPS, and came out extremely frustrated with the experience. Not to mention the recent copy-paste nonsense from Dell with their Pro/Pro Max laptop offerings.

Good display, decent CPU, a battery that lasts a day, and Linux support - that’s all that I ask for. Outside of Apple(bar Linux support) are there any manufacturers that offer that?

Re: I'm a laptop weirdo and that's why I like my new Framework 13

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Post by outlore »

I've been wistfully watching people enjoy Framework Laptop from the sidelines for years now. One doubt that has always plagued me: realistically how long can the backwards compatibility for new improvements last? Surely there must be some point where a new processor, or chassis, or airflow improvement must necessitate the complete reconfiguration of the laptop internals or would be just plain unsupported? I don't have background in industrial design or electrical engineering so I've never been able to lay these doubts to rest.

Re: I'm a laptop weirdo and that's why I like my new Framework 13

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Post by Zak »

xorcist wrote: post #169
6510 wrote: post #129

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Right, next time ill buy 1-3 extra batteries when buying a laptop.

How will you store them? In the freezer? It's not trivial to keep batteries in good condition.

If you keep them at about 50% and avoid temperature extremes, it doesn't take a PhD in electrochemistry. The thing is, fancy battery packs usually do contain active electronics that drain the cells slowly in storage, so it's necessary to charge them a little a couple times a year.

Re: I'm a laptop weirdo and that's why I like my new Framework 13

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Post by mixmastamyk »

outlore wrote: post #238

I've been wistfully watching people enjoy Framework Laptop from the sidelines for years now. One doubt that has always plagued me: realistically how long can the backwards compatibility for new improvements last? Surely there must be some point where a new processor, or chassis, or airflow improvement must necessitate the complete reconfiguration of the laptop internals or would be just plain unsupported? I don't hav…

We know how to make laptops now, and the framework is fine. A major development, like Apple-level power efficiency would require less airflow than x64. Don’t think there’s anything major to worry about. May need the 16 for pro-level local LLMs for a while.
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