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After ruining a treasured water resource, Iran is drying up

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Re: After ruining a treasured water resource, Iran is drying up

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Maybe it’s selection bias but: The saddest thing about Iran I’ve noticed is the stark contrast between the current state of the country and the intelligence of the people I’ve met from this country.

This can apply to almost every country on earth.

Not to the same extent.

Iran is somewhat special in that a culture of highly valuing education and producing high quality scientists has persisted among the populace, despite a half century of despotic religious rule.

There are no other countries that come to mind that manage to do this despite such a large, long period if government-populace mismatch. Other countries that produce large quantites of scientists generally have a government that actively supports the pursuit of science. Those countries aren't immune to flareups of anti-intellectualism but they are generally short-lived.

Re: After ruining a treasured water resource, Iran is drying up

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Believe it or not, other things do happen in the country aside from what is reported on in western media. Claiming this is all they do is heinously ignorant.

Don't presume to put words in my mouth. No one is claiming that military activities is all that Iran does. But the reality is they do choose spend a fortune on military aggression. These are optional activities. They could choose to stop and devote those resources to civilian infrastructure if they wanted to.

I’m pretty sure if the Iranian missile program had not demonstrated its ability to exhaust and defeat the sum total of all western missile defense production and force a truce, that the discussion would be around which European population would get the plantation of Ulster treatment with the tens of millions of refugees.

Re: After ruining a treasured water resource, Iran is drying up

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post #157

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I wonder what Iran has done to receive sanctions

I wonder this, too. I also wonder why Saudi Arabia and Israel aren't subject to the same sanctions. I'm sure there's a good reason somewhere....

Examples: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_hostage_crisis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Francis_Buckley https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_A._Anderson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMIA_bombing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_U.S.%E2%80%93Iran_naval_i... https://www.iranintl.com/en/202408126589

Because that's their entire MO for their existence I can produce an endless stream of this really

Re: After ruining a treasured water resource, Iran is drying up

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I don’t think any serious post WWII historians would agree with you. There was a concentrated effort by the UK and US to displace Mossadegh, who was democratically elected by the way. At the very least it disproves your unspoken assertion that the Iranians are primarily to blame for their problems when it’s been proven that the most powerful intelligence agencies on the planet were actively destabilizing their societ…

Mossadegh was elected but was also illegally trying to dissolve parliament. >at the very least it disproves your unspoken assertion that the Iranians are primarily to blame for their problems I'm very clearly stating that the Shah in particular was highly likely to have removed Mossadegh either way due to a multi-decade power struggle between the Pahlavi dynasty and the parliament /prime minister. The Majlis as a riv…

Fair enough, it seems like you know a lot more about this than I do. I’ll read the link you sent

Re: After ruining a treasured water resource, Iran is drying up

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I don't say it's a cultural oddity, western culture had its fair share of self-destructive regimes which ideological underpinnings created great disasters, especially in the 20th century

I feel like I may be insulting your intelligence with how obvious this is, but the Israeli government has had turning Iran into a failed state as an open policy objective since the 1980s. Given that Israeli interests have achieved this end in basically every non-monarchy in the region, I think this is a credible threat. Israel has a highly aggressive and influential lobby in the United States, which has posed debilit…

What's been Iran's official policy objective? Who is the 'little satan' they call for the death of?

And siege mentality. Right. Like how instead of funding water works Iran surrounded Israel by funding Hamas, Hezbollah, and militias in Iraq.

Re: After ruining a treasured water resource, Iran is drying up

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post #132

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It's not completely wrong, though. Iran has spent significant resources on a nuclear weapons program, as well as sponsoring foreign terrorist organizations and other military activities. We can argue about whether those things are right or wrong but they really happened and consumed resources that could have been used to improve water infrastructure. Guns or butter.

Believe it or not, other things do happen in the country aside from what is reported on in western media. Claiming this is all they do is heinously ignorant.

Yep, like supplying drones and missiles to Russia to be used on Ukrainian civilians in Russia's war for colonization.

Re: After ruining a treasured water resource, Iran is drying up

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I grew up in the Brazilian state of Minas Gerais, a region full of natural resources and, thankfully, aquifers and natural water reservoirs. However, centuries of extraction mismanagement and, more recently, over exploration of mineral resources puts these water resources into jeopardy. (Other problems include mining in open pits and with sludge dams that led to two of the worse environmental disasters in the world i…

You forgot to mention what may be the most serious water problem in Brazil. Agribusiness invests heavily in the Cerrado, the Brazilian savanna. In the Cerrado originate the vast majority of Brazilian rivers, which supply water to almost all of Brazil. Its trees, with deep roots, retain the scarce water of the region. This entire region has been deforested for the production of soybeans and cattle ranching. Brazil is…

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Re: After ruining a treasured water resource, Iran is drying up

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post #131

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Their country is cash strapped and needs to be independent because of US sanctions. The CIA overthrew the democratically elected government in the 50s which led to the Islamic Republic.

That's true, but on the other hand the CIA today isn't forcing Iran to sponsor terrorist organizations or arrest women for being immodest or keep Islamists in charge. If they want to eliminate the sanctions then the path to doing so is clear and would have tremendous benefits for the Iranian people.

The Saudis are doing all of those things, but we turn a blind eye to that. The Cubans are doing none of those things, but they are still at the top of America's shit list.

Something makes me think that those aren't the reason for why Iran is everyone's favorite whipping boy in the region.

Nationalizing western assets half a century ago probably has something more to do with why they are treated the way they are.

Re: After ruining a treasured water resource, Iran is drying up

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Like the American regime, maybe they will try to blame everything on someone else. Though I’m skeptical that ever works for long.

The American "regime" has a country that people are literally fighting in line to get into.

Relevance?

Re: After ruining a treasured water resource, Iran is drying up

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This is basic, commonly accepted history. That’s why all of the comments defending US actions deflect and blame the accomplices within Iran like the Shah.

Absolutely, the qualifiers are mostly because I am not knowledgeable to say what caused the situation _now_, not because the facts of the US backed coup damaging Iran are at all in dispute.

Not absolutely.

> not because the facts of the US backed coup damaging Iran are at all in dispute.

I mean, they are, GP just admitted they stand corrected[0] and "democratically elected government" of Mossadegh is factually incorrect. Other comments have pointed out he was installed not by the people, but by the Shah and Majles, stopped 1952 elections when they didn't go his way, then tried to dissolve parliament and vest power solely in himself

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46315989

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