The State of JavaScript - Brendan Eich

The point was not about using Photoshop for design on the web, but rather its complexity. IDE's, CAD, engineering applications. Well, we don't even have to go that far. When Google Docs are going to process 500k row spreadsheets? I use Google Docs casually for quick and simple stuff, but for any serious work - probably not.

> I know many designers who have already ditched it for in-browser development

I know many people(all of them are extremely bright) who use Linux on the desktop. I use Linux too(I am not implying I am a clever bloke here). Does this mean Linux is winning the OS war? Otherwise this is just argumentum ad populum. I'll look through the slides and get back to you.

> I sense trollery here: "but you can add bindings to all of this stuff for virtually any programming language." Who said otherwise? The bogus claims against JS (going back to the "RIA" era, where IBM and Macromedia/Adobe made such arguments) already fell.

I apologize if you suspected a troll in me, but I did not imply comparison with Flash. Flash is just another competitor for you. What What I meant by "but you can add bindings to all of this stuff for virtually any programming language." is if use C/C++ or any other language with access to the OS APIs I don't depend on the wits of browser vendors shipping a particular API for me.

> And play BananaBread, for crying out loud (https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/demos/detail/bananabread). You simply do not know what you are talking about by your next-to-last paragraph.

Believe me or not, but this is exactly the game I was referring to. The link was on the HN last week or so. To be more specific, my graphics card is AMD Radeon HD 6970, capable of running Crysis 2, and I was experiencing lags. As for the graphics, have you ever played Half-Life 2? It was released in 2004 and I can't see this game having any better graphics if not worse. Not to mention that Half-Life would have at least 3x higher FPS on my hardware. Could you please clarify on "You simply do not know what you are talking about"?

> Yes, typed arrays were ad-hoc (so are many incremental web standards that win). Binary data (arrays and structs, which compose) as proposed in ES6 are not.

Ok, it's good to see JS is going in the right direction. And thanks for taking time to responding to my message. I am actually excited about the work you do at Mozilla on Rust, and I'd like to see a language like that to be available on the client side. But I understand that it's not going to happen anytime soon.

Nope, I wanted a footnote that says "they're working on it." That is about 97% of what I wanted from this discussion. ES6 isn't "ready for prime time" either, being an unfinished spec, and yet the entire presentation was about that. You're comparing JavaScript's future with NaCl's present, and not mentioning that it is Google's stated purpose to remove the glaring limitation that is the basis of your discounting it as a technology (at least as far as that slide is concerned). How is that not misleading?

I have never once suggested, in a single one of my messages on this thread, that non-Chromium browsers should adopt NaCl/Pepper in their current form (in fact I have said exactly the opposite, that I can understand their reasons for not wanting to), and yet you continue to attribute this viewpoint to me, calling me "astoundingly naive" for it, and issuing no retraction for that (despite all the retractions you demand from me). How is this the moral high ground?

I would be happy (more than happy, actually) to completely retract my statement, since it certainly gives me no pleasure to think that you would mislead your audience, but you are declining to demonstrate that I was wrong or that you have an interest in being entirely forthcoming with your audience. By pressuring me to retract my statements while feeling free to say what you want I feel you are bullying me. I'm not a huge fan of how you are ascribing inaccurate viewpoints to me and calling me names for them, and yet I am not demanding that you retract it all or I will discount your existence as a person (incredibly harsh, by the way).