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Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by zamadatix »

cosmic_cheese wrote: post #196
TheBigSalad wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the equivalent of Blockbuster rejecting Netflix.

At the risk of becoming the infamous iPod and Dropbox posters, I really don't think so. My browser having an LLM directly integrated adds nothing for my use cases that couldn't be accomplished with a web service or dedicated tool/app. For me, an integrated LLM running concurrently with my browser just represents a whole lot of compute and/or network calls with little added value and I don't think that this is unusual…

Better yet, if an LLM does add value to the use cases why is it that I have one "integrated" LLM when editing a document in the webpage, another "integrated" LLM in the browser, and then an "integrated" LLM in the OS. If there is value to be had I want it to integrate with the different things on the system as they exist just like I do, not be shoehorned into whatever company abc decided to bundle with just their product(s) too.

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by lenerdenator »

Mozilla needs to get back to just being a browser project with foundation-based corporate governance.

I don't get why everything has to include the latest trend. Do what the Linux kernel project does: be a bazaar. If someone wants to create deeper AI integration into Firefox, they'll pick up that task, put it in a branch, and the community will discuss whether it merits inclusion in the main. If it does, it'll be there; if not, it won't be.

Operate on donations of time and money with a clear goal of what the project should be.

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by trentnix »

netdevphoenix wrote: post #118

I love Mozilla but this feels like marketing imo. From the article: "AI should always be a choice — something people can easily turn off" and "Firefox will remain our anchor. It will evolve into a modern AI browser". I highly doubt you will be able to turn of the transformer tech features in an AI browser imo. And they won't make a separate browser for this. This really feels like the beginning of the end for Mozilla…

The beginning of the end was getting rid Brendan Eich for wrongthink. This is the middle of the end.

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by bigstrat2003 »

ceejayoz wrote: post #183
sunaookami wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A ban that was supported by the majority at the time and the donation was six years old at the time he became CEO. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44461541

To Godwin a little, sometimes the right thing is not the majority thing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_Landmesser

The point was not "whatever the majority wants is therefore good". The point is that if you were to apply the "you get fired from your job for this" standard evenly, the majority of the country would've had to get fired from their jobs. That is a pretty unreasonable standard to apply, imo.

Also, come on man. It's in really bad taste to compare stuff to the Holocaust. Nobody was being murdered here, it's not remotely the same.

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by unethical_ban »

Fiveplus wrote: post #7

Does anyone else feel like the "Trust" angle is the only card they have left to play? Technically, Chrome is faster on JS benchmarks. Edge has better OS integration on Windows and comes by default. Safari wins on battery life on Mac. Firefox's only unique selling point is "We aren't a massive data vampire." If they clutter the browser with AI which inherently requires data processing, often in the cloud, they dilute…

>Firefox's only unique selling point is "We aren't a massive data vampire."

That's a big selling point. Along with "still allows ad-blocking extensions".

Besides being able to turn off all online AI features, and the fact that forks like Librewolf will inevitably strip it out, I am stunned by how HN readers think "Translate this for me immediately and accurately" and related functions are not desirable to the average person.

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by rolph »

rdm_blackhole wrote: post #210
rvz wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This really feels like the beginning of the end for Mozilla, sadly. The moment Mozilla failed to stop being dependent on Google's money whilst being true to their own mission in being a 'privacy first browser' it already was the end and the damage in trust was done. In 2007, the CEO at the time said they could live without Google's money - Now, their entire survival was tied to Google funding them [0] and got rewar…

> The moment Mozilla failed to stop being dependent on Google's money whilst being true to their own mission in being a 'privacy first browser' it already was the end and the damage in trust was done. I understand your position but what is the alternative funding source that could keep a company making a free browser running? Apple funds Safari's development but it's basically a side project for them, Google funds Ch…

>what is the alternative funding source that could keep a company making a free browser running?i wonder how linux does it?

linus and anthony should have a head to head.

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by cmcaleer »

The only thing that gives some slight semblance of hope is that he at least acknowledges that Mozilla is vulnerable and he very very briefly mentions needing new sources of revenue.

No mention of an endowment (like Wikipedia has) or concrete plans to spend money efficiently or in a worthwhile way, and I sure hope ‘invest in AI’ doesn’t mean ‘piss away 9 figures that could have set up an endowment to give Mozilla some actual resilience’.

I hope is that he’s at least paranoid enough about Mozilla’s revenue sources to do anything about their current position that gives them resiliency. Mozilla has for well over a decade now been in a pathetic state where if Google turns off the taps it is quite simply over. He talks a lot about peoples’ trust in Mozilla. I don’t really remember what he’s talking about to be honest, but if Mozilla get to a point where they seem like they can exist without them simply being Google’s monopoly defence insurance, perhaps I’ll remember the feeling of trusting Mozilla. I miss it.

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by bigyabai »

trentnix wrote: post #233
netdevphoenix wrote: post #118

I love Mozilla but this feels like marketing imo. From the article: "AI should always be a choice — something people can easily turn off" and "Firefox will remain our anchor. It will evolve into a modern AI browser". I highly doubt you will be able to turn of the transformer tech features in an AI browser imo. And they won't make a separate browser for this. This really feels like the beginning of the end for Mozilla…

The beginning of the end was getting rid Brendan Eich for wrongthink. This is the middle of the end.

Having seen what Brave became, I'm extremely happy that Eich wasn't allowed to bring his "vision" to my favorite browser.

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by shadowgovt »

netdevphoenix wrote: post #118

I love Mozilla but this feels like marketing imo. From the article: "AI should always be a choice — something people can easily turn off" and "Firefox will remain our anchor. It will evolve into a modern AI browser". I highly doubt you will be able to turn of the transformer tech features in an AI browser imo. And they won't make a separate browser for this. This really feels like the beginning of the end for Mozilla…

"Anchor" is interesting. Because it could mean cornerstone or it could mean the thing weighing the company down.

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by add-sub-mul-div »

sunaookami wrote: post #166
neom wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He gave $1000 donation to support a ban on gay marriage, to be clear.

A ban that was supported by the majority at the time and the donation was six years old at the time he became CEO. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44461541

I wonder if in hindsight he's embarrassed to have been on the wrong side of history. Imagine spending your time and money fighting inevitable social change. Fighting gay marriage is just a time-shifted fight against women voting or interracial marriage.
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