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Children with cancer scammed out of millions fundraised for their treatment

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Re: Children with cancer scammed out of millions fundraised for their treatment

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Then again, maybe we should keep ethics and morals away from law and sentencing, and concentrate on harm and intent. Laws can be based on ethics, but moral judgments really should not be involved in their application. Unless you want to live in a theocracy, of course.

The jury pronounces the sentence. What do you think sways the jurors - legalese complexity or straight up morality?

Jurors decide the verdict, the judge determines the sentence.

Re: Children with cancer scammed out of millions fundraised for their treatment

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Local man embezzles $20,000 meant to keep 200 orphans from being crushed in the orphan-crushing machine.

Orphan crushing machine operator: "If I don't do it, someone else will"

Orphan crushing proponent: "Why should I pay for orphans not to be crushed??"

Re: Children with cancer scammed out of millions fundraised for their treatment

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The root cause of the problem is that parents and children need to raise funds for cancer treatment in the first place.

I am curious: how else would you fund them? I sometimes donate & follow such cases and cancer treatments are expensive , especially experimental, custom ones. Worse, the rarer and more aggressive the disease - the more expensive the treatment and the slimmer the actual chances.

By tax. If you use taxes for nothing else, at least use them for children with cancer.

Re: Children with cancer scammed out of millions fundraised for their treatment

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Expensive health treatments can easily bankrupt any western government. None of those developed countries can afford to spend their money indiscriminately on them. So instead they turn to waiting lists, death panels and very often saying no but not in your face (since that is politically frowned upon) but thought delays and countless committees and bureaucracy until the patient expires...

I am yet to see any western nations go bankrupt for universal healthcare. I have three second-hand cancer experiences from family here in Australia (Dad, Mum and my half-sister - under 35/yo). All three were detected early thanks to regular checkups and screening (covered under Medicare), treated in major hospitals (Dad was in a rural hospital, Mum and half-sister in Metro major city hospitals) and are all alive and…

> I am yet to see any western nations go bankrupt for universal healthcare.

Boy are you in for a ride. France will be first and Germany is on a good track for it within the next two decades.

Re: Children with cancer scammed out of millions fundraised for their treatment

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Really makes me think that the justice system should have a wide margin for discretionary sentencing. I get that in some sense fraud is fraud, but there is one thing preying on people's greed, and another preying on compassion, charity and vulnerable children in desperate need. Scams based on greed (or other vices) are in some sense limited crimes, since their success punishes what is low, but scams based on what is…

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Re: Children with cancer scammed out of millions fundraised for their treatment

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I have reported these ads to YouTube multiple times, because I tracked down their scam websites, but YouTube didn't delete them anyway. Common pattern they had was: - similar or same domains - same messaging on their website YouTube could have taken action, but it choose not to

I'm still waiting for the tech world to wake up and realise that the online ad machinery and user tracking software that the brightest minds of our generation have been working on are just a way to efficiently connect scammers with their unsuspecting victims.

I think being a “Techie” is now something that is splitting.

- People who want to work in tech because it was a stable and/or lucrative career

- People who just want/love to code

- People who loved tech / think tech is cool

There’s also a degree of counter-culture that used to be part of the mix, which got jettisoned as tech became mainstream and mapped out.

The current state of Tech is unpleasant and alarming.

Re: Children with cancer scammed out of millions fundraised for their treatment

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Yes, which is one of two reasons why I use a blocker called adnauseum. It an adv locker that “clicks” on every single ad it sees, as well as hides it from my view. This makes my ad profile useless, and also costs them money.

Won’t Google ban your account if they notice this

As per other comments, if it’s making them money, why bother banning it

Re: Children with cancer scammed out of millions fundraised for their treatment

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The root cause of the problem is that parents and children need to raise funds for cancer treatment in the first place.

The fact that families have to crowdfund lifesaving care creates the vulnerability but it doesn't force anyone to build an industrialized scam on top of it

No-one is hoarding a free and easy supply of treatments. They're all hard-won advancements. The vulnerability is there by default.

Re: Children with cancer scammed out of millions fundraised for their treatment

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Is there even standard practices to audit the effectiveness of charity? No accountability means they will always operate like a black box, and I’ve always thought black boxes create misalignments. Money goes in, and good feelings come out. It certainly serves a purpose, but not the intended one.

Yes, it's called Form 990 and it is a requirement to publish it on a yearly basis to retain non-profit status. You can search for any US-registered NGO here for example: https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/ To put it in HN terms, this is what people here like to use to shit on Mozilla for how much they pay their executives while having zero insight into how much Firefox's for-profit competitors pay their execu…

Hmmm. But who can audit the reporting? Evidently, this looks like something they can manipulate.

Is the bottom line roughly:

Money received: 1000

Money used for good: 800

Labor: 200

Is that it?

Because I can assure you, that will not turn out well.

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