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Ensuring a National Policy Framework for Artificial Intelligence

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Re: Ensuring a National Policy Framework for Artificial Intelligence

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And here I thought the GOP was the "states rights" "small gov" party.

It's never been about principles of states rights. It's always about disliking specific national policies and spinning the argument to make it sound as if it's about a reasonable principle.

"State's rights to do what?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZB2ftCl2Vk

Re: Ensuring a National Policy Framework for Artificial Intelligence

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This is quite literally going to lead to a Supreme Court case about Federal Preemption. Bondi will challenge some CA law, they will lose and appeal until they get to the Supreme Court. I don't have any grace to give people at this point, you have to be willingly turning a blind eye if you do not see where this will end up.

Federal preemption requires federal law (aka laws written by congress). How else would it get to the supreme court? The EO mentions congress passing new law a few times in addition to an executive task force to look into challenging state laws based on constitutional violations or federal statues. That's the only way they'd get in front of a judge. If the plan is for the executive to invent new laws it's not mapped o…

> Federal preemption requires federal law (aka laws written by congress). How else would it get to the supreme court?

1. No federal preemption currently. (No federal law, therefore no regulation on the matter that should preempt.)

2. State passes and enforces law regarding AI.

3. Trump directs Bondi to challenge the state law on nonsense grounds.

4. In the lawsuit, the state points out that there is no federal preemption; oh yeah, 10th Amendment; and that the administration's argument is nonsense.

5. The judge, say Eileen Cannon, invalidates the state law.

6. Circuit Court reverses.

7. Administration seeks and immediately gets a grant of certiorari — and the preemption matter is in the Supreme Court.

> passing new law … only way they'd get it in front of a judge.

The EO directs Bondi to investigate whether, and argue that, existing executive regulations (presumably on other topics) preempt state legislation.

Regardless, the EO makes it a priority to find and take advantage of some way to challenge and possibly invalidate state laws on the subject. This is a new take on preemption: creation of a state-law vacuum on the subject, through scorched-earth litigation (how Trumpian!), despite an utter absence of federal legislation on the matter.

Re: Ensuring a National Policy Framework for Artificial Intelligence

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Is it me or does this seem like naked corruption at its worst? These tech CEOs hang out at the White House and donate to superfluous causes and suddenly the executive is protecting their interests. This does nothing to protect working US citizens from AI alien (agents) coming to take their jobs and displace their incomes.

You don’t seem to appreciate: they paid for the ballroom. They have a right to set policy. That’s how an oligarchy works

Re: Ensuring a National Policy Framework for Artificial Intelligence

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Maybe it should be. The system here in the US has produced some great innovations at the cost of great misery among the non-wealthy. At a time when technology promises an easier life, it only seems to benefit the wealthy, while trying to discard everyone else. The light at the end of the tunnel is a 1%-er about to laughingly crush you beneath their wheels.

I don't think this is the strongest argument. Every technological revolution so far has initially benefited the wealthy and taken a generation or two for its effects to lift the masses out of previous levels of poverty, but ultimately each one has. To me the stronger argument about AI is that this revolution won't. And that's because this one is not really about productivity or even about capital investment in things…

We have had the capacity to have zero poverty for many decades, maybe over a century. China eliminated extreme poverty.

Re: Ensuring a National Policy Framework for Artificial Intelligence

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Pure nepotism. Trump also recently softened on cannabis. Who is involved in cannabis (and Adderall) startups? David Sacks, "Crypto and AI czar" and YouTube pundit. We were promised a better economy, better job chances, and better housing by Mr. Sacks on YouTube. Instead we get "crypto", "AI" and addictive substance grifting.

Perhaps folks should take some time to realize they've been conned by people whose only interest is their own personal weatlh and power, and will promise anything like "prices are going down day one" or "your income and networth will DOUBLE if you elect me" to get elected.

Re: Ensuring a National Policy Framework for Artificial Intelligence

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> but in absolute terms public sector workers constitute a very small share of the population, while receiving a large share of public spending Uh... Just no? Public spending? That's défense, health care, entitlements etcetera etcetera I'll actually back it up with some numbers too: > That’s 1% of gross domestic product, and almost 5% of total federal spending. The government payroll for other developed countries is…

Disposable income is essentially just income after tax. It’s the amount you have where you get to direct where it goes / how you dispose of it. It’s not money after essentials. There are many ways to slice it but the US median income is high. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disposable_household_and_per_c...

TIL, I've always thought it was minus housing etc.

Apparently that's discretionary income.

Re: Ensuring a National Policy Framework for Artificial Intelligence

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I don’t know about that. The poor from just about every other country in the world seem desperate to live in America. While American capitalism has many faults, oppressing the bottom quintile is not one of them. The US median income is consistently top ten globally.

Median income doesn't tell much if you don't factor in the cost of living. My salary sucks compared to what I would earn in America, but when I factor in things like free healthcare, daycare and higher level education, I'm better off here.

What countries offer free daycare? I know there are a few in Europe. It's not super common, so I'm curious to know where

Re: Ensuring a National Policy Framework for Artificial Intelligence

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Is it me or does this seem like naked corruption at its worst? These tech CEOs hang out at the White House and donate to superfluous causes and suddenly the executive is protecting their interests. This does nothing to protect working US citizens from AI alien (agents) coming to take their jobs and displace their incomes.

> This does nothing to protect working US citizens from AI alien (agents) coming to take their jobs and displace their incomes. Where did you get the idea that banning new technology that could eliminate jobs is even remotely an American value? Going back to the Industrial Revolution the United States has been 100% gas pedal all the time on innovation and disruption, which has in turn created millions of jobs that di…

> Going back to the Industrial Revolution the United States has been 100% gas pedal all the time on innovation and disruption

Until that "innovation and disruption" threatens any established player, at which point they run crying to the government to grease some palms. China is innovating and disrupting the entire energy sector via renewables and battery storage while the US is cowering in the corner trying to flaccidly resuscitate the corpse of the coal industry.

Re: Ensuring a National Policy Framework for Artificial Intelligence

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Very welcome order to prevent the anti-AI movement from stymieing the development of AI in the U.S.

Except it does literally nothing since EO can’t preempt state law

It could have some teeth considering that the whole point is the executive office is going to establish a task force that investigates state laws in opposition of this federal deregulation of AI. Any states deemed to be out of sync will have certain kinds of federal funding cut from them.

There are a lot of states, and especially state universities, that will not like that.

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