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Post by plomme »

MBCook wrote: post #215
burningChrome wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It will be pretty imperceivable when you stay within the same ecosystem. If you went from your 17 and then went to a mid tier phone like a Samsung A71, you would notice a difference. Display is something I for sure started paying attention to when I was jumping back and forth between Android and Apple when I went from my OnePlus to Apple and then to Samsung noticed differences.

Small improvements add up. If GP picked up that 12 again, they’d notice.

Wife has a 16 pro, I’m on a 13 mini. Other than her phone being way too big I don’t notice any difference.

And why should I? Reading text on the web, calling, sms’ing, listening to music or using navigation does not require “next gen” hardware. Hell, it doesn’t even require current gen hardware. It would probably work just fine on 2000s era hardware.

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Post by JoshStrobl »

afandian wrote: post #23

I went down a 1-minute rabbithole. I hate Whatsapp, but it's not optional. So I was curious if it's compatible. There's a Sailfish help page [0] showing how to get the APK from Aptoide, or downloading directly from Whatsapp.com . But with Google killing off 'sideloading', is it credible that independent APK sources are going to dry up in future? [0] https://docs.sailfishos.org/Support/Help_Articles/Whatsapp_S...

WhatsApp works okay on my Jolla C2. Occasional annoyance with device detection (BT headphones) where it'll still end up outputting to speaker, but I haven't had that with any other Android app running via AppSupport like YouTube Music, so dunno if that's just WhatsApp being problematic.

Installed it from Aurora, an open source frontend to the Play Store.

Biggest pain-points for me with AppSupport is:

1. Lack of Bluetooth passthrough in a sane way (community workaround results in it being unavailable with host OS). 2. It does not report to apps that PIN entry is enabled, meaning some awful but important apps like Danske ID don't work.

Otherwise it does the job remarkably well. Still prefer native SFOS apps when available, however it is a small ecosystem and so depending on your usecase you may find yourself installing Android apps.

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Post by maelito »

nebula8804 wrote: post #142
maelito wrote: post #125

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Small phones are also way less addictive. It's not in the interest of the mobile ecosystem.

How do you assess that? I'd imagine it would be more along the lines of is the phone frictionless to use? This is just an anecdote but I owned every Google Nexus phone they made up to Nexus 5. A series of bugs caused priceless videos to get ruined and I decided to try iPhone after that. I didn't realize just how much I unconsciously hated using the Nexus phone and that contributed to me not actually adopting smartpho…

Just evaluating my dependency. Was way lower with a small phone than with my 6 inch.

It could be assessed by a study, I have opinions until then.

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Post by maelito »

nebula8804 wrote: post #137
maelito wrote: post #123

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> but they didn't sell What do you call "didn't sell" ? In numbers.

How about 3% of sales: https://www.macrumors.com/2022/04/21/iphone-13-mini-unpopula...

In march of that year, but was higher before, no ? Anyway, that's ~ 3 million phones. It's a lot.

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Post by fsflover »

dman wrote: post #91
mariusor wrote: post #80

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They did offer refunds in the form of vouchers for their shop. I can understand if that's not something everyone is interested in, but it's not nothing. I made use of that successfully.

It wasnt offered to everyone. They did the whole thing by trickling out information based on batches based on when you ordered. And for the record I wasnt shipped a tablet, given a refund or offered a voucher and based on comments at the time I wasnt the only one. It was a total writeoff.

Did you write to them? Perhaps they could have lost your data.

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Post by fsflover »

ux266478 wrote: post #183
nebula8804 wrote: post #156

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Isn't the Librem 5 fully open?

No. The touchscreen firmware's source is not distributed[1] for one, and neither is the firmware for the baseband processor. Possibly more aspects. Although "open" doesn't matter as much as "libre" does. Modifying source code is useless if you can't actually replace the running instance. It has all the same problems as closed source software. Baseband processors are legally required to be tivoized, thus the violation…

> firmware

You're not wrong, but it's the only phone in the world running an FSF-endorsed OS that has no blobs. We should celebrate and support that and not demand something impossible.

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Post by fodmap »

nsoqm wrote: post #35
fodmap wrote: post #26

Don't confuse Jolla https://jolla.com/ with Volla https://volla.online/en/index.php Both are European companys with a great privacy drive.

Nobody has confused Jolla with Volla, mostly because nobody has ever heard of Volla.

You didn't need to create a new account just to say something that is not true ;)

You'd say that most people don't know about Linux phones, but for those who know, Volla running Ubuntu is pretty well known, at least in Europe.

Re: Jolla Phone Pre-Order

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Post by fodmap »

mariusor wrote: post #110
fodmap wrote: post #26

Don't confuse Jolla https://jolla.com/ with Volla https://volla.online/en/index.php Both are European companys with a great privacy drive.

And to my eternal puzzlement here's two companies that are made for one another and so far they've never worked together on a project. SMH...

Exactly. It'd be great a genuine collective European effort to make a Linux phone.

Another crucial point is to push for open standards for those apps that only work on Android or iOS.

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Post by Aachen »

everdrive wrote: post #133

Android and iOS need to be shaken up so badly that I welcome more or less anything into this space, no matter how flawed. That said, I think the chances I buy one of these is very low. At the moment, I keep a smart phone solely so that finding work is not difficult. You need quite the personal network to explain that "I don't have a smart phone." Otherwise, I'm trying to abstain from smart phone usage as much as poss…

You "welcome" this because the market needs to be shaken up "so badly", but won't buy it? What does that mean then, that you'll allow it to exist "no matter how flawed"? I'm genuinely confused as to what this is trying to say
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