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Re: Transparent leadership beats servant leadership

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

divan wrote: post #227
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #81

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There are no good organizations, only ones that aren’t completely corrupt yet. Consider that to start and maintain an organization takes significant capital and energy expenditures upfront, which means you need to fund them from somewhere and ask sources of funding are corrupted. Consider: there are no long lasting egalitarian, distributed power, grassroots organizations that can compete at a level of social influenc…

> ask sources of funding are corrupted What does it mean, exactly? (I assume it's a typo - s/ask/all/, "all sources funding are corrupted")?

Yes its a typo - should’ve been “all”

Re: Transparent leadership beats servant leadership

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

divan wrote: post #229
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #223

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Who makes the laws? The rich and powerful through lobbying and direct corruption. Here’s a link just from today: https://www.somo.nl/the-secretive-cabal-of-us-polluters-that... So any “rules based order” simply locks in the rules of whomever has the most money to bribe politicians There are no corruption free entities because they are starting with corrupt roots and grow through nepotism and political favors The proo…

Have you looked at sports federations (especially in Europe, not in US). They're primarily funded by membership fees, some survived over century, and while they have some governance issues (like conflict of interest due to wearing two hats – regulatory function and event organiszing one), it would be a strong claim to say that they're corrupted by their roots/nature.

In fact one of my close friends is a co-owner of the Kraken

Sports teams and leagues are primarily owned by billionaires - like the amount of discussion around who is the owner is a significant portion of sports reporting

The only exception I know off the top of my head I believe is the Packers are community owned but even then I would be skeptical as to how the power dynamics play out in practice

Re: Transparent leadership beats servant leadership

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Post by pyrolistical »

citizenpaul wrote: post #164
hyperhello wrote: post #152

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This is really how it’s done. Don’t go over their head; go under their boss’s.

I'm not sure you understand just how dedicated they were to this whole turn it back on the employee method they were apparently using. I just skimmed the summary on the book after reading this comment. Its a toxic method of avoiding accountability masquerading as "mgmt" You can't do whatever you describe if it needs sign off by a manager that simply ghosts on everything you try to send their way. You can assume respo…

If they are not signing things required for your job then you need to go over their head

Re: Transparent leadership beats servant leadership

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Post by atoav »

taurath wrote: post #149
jppope wrote: post #25

Just wanted to provide a useful link on the topic of leadership. The US army publishes its doctrine for free and updates it somewhat regularly: https://talent.army.mil/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/ARN20039_... The doctrine is a no-nonsense, no-fluff document based on 200+ years of military tradition where the effectiveness of the leadership is actually life and death. Definitely worth a read if you are interested in le…

Last published 2019. I think were it rewritten with the current leadership, the very first thing they'd remove would be this topic line: > Army professionals recognize the intrinsic dignity and worth of all people and treat them with respect Both in political and corporate (especially tech) leadership, this principle has proven to be convenient to say and equally convenient to be tossed aside with the slightest provo…

Not only that, read the chapter on counterproductive leadership (toxic leadership). Try to tick the boxes for the current US president. Spoiler alert, he ticks all the boxes.

Re: Transparent leadership beats servant leadership

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Post by ttoinou »

harrall wrote: post #107
nlawalker wrote: post #38

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When I was a manager I had to take a training based on the book "The Coaching Habit." It left me really sour on the role, and explained some of the behavior of previous managers of mine that I least appreciated, specifically that their approach to management seemed to be to just get me to articulate and explain my problems over and over until I somehow rubber-ducked myself into solving them myself. When that didn't w…

My biggest complaint about some people is that they measure success by the act of doing and rarely by the result. If I help someone, I am checking if you no longer need help. If I say I’m going to be there at a certain time, I remember every time I’m late. If I do laundry a certain way so I won’t lose a sock, I make sure I haven’t lost a sock. When I do something, my brain replays me “Oh the last time you did this, y…

Bravo you are among 0.1% of people who check on your own behavior. 99.9% others just try random stuff until it works and don't want to bear the consequences of their mistakes

Re: Transparent leadership beats servant leadership

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Post by azemetre »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #232
divan wrote: post #229

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Have you looked at sports federations (especially in Europe, not in US). They're primarily funded by membership fees, some survived over century, and while they have some governance issues (like conflict of interest due to wearing two hats – regulatory function and event organiszing one), it would be a strong claim to say that they're corrupted by their roots/nature.

In fact one of my close friends is a co-owner of the Kraken Sports teams and leagues are primarily owned by billionaires - like the amount of discussion around who is the owner is a significant portion of sports reporting The only exception I know off the top of my head I believe is the Packers are community owned but even then I would be skeptical as to how the power dynamics play out in practice

What do you think about the idea of workplace democracy? [1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workplace_democracy

Re: Transparent leadership beats servant leadership

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

azemetre wrote: post #236
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In fact one of my close friends is a co-owner of the Kraken Sports teams and leagues are primarily owned by billionaires - like the amount of discussion around who is the owner is a significant portion of sports reporting The only exception I know off the top of my head I believe is the Packers are community owned but even then I would be skeptical as to how the power dynamics play out in practice

What do you think about the idea of workplace democracy? [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workplace_democracy

I think it’s a weak form of a mutual cooperative - which unfortunately doesn’t have the ability to defeat a state-billionaire backed corporation in the market.

Re: Transparent leadership beats servant leadership

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Post by rotbart »

Nothing wrong with the attributes the author groups under 'transparent leadership', but the article shows a certain misunderstanding of servant leadership.

At the core of servant leadership is the idea that leaders shouldn't hoard power, but instead share it and empower their reports. That they are accountable to their reports, rather than the other way.

Nothing to do with acting like a parents and becoming a single point of failure.

Re: Transparent leadership beats servant leadership

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Post by TeMPOraL »

xkcd-sucks wrote: post #161
SoftTalker wrote: post #79

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For me the worst of this is organizations where employees have to write their own performance reviews. Eff that. You're the boss, you tell me how I'm doing. If there's one thing a manager should be accountable for it is the development and evaluation of the people the manager is responsible for.

No - Performance reviews are important legally, it's the only company IP you're entitled to take with you when you leave etc, so this is where you can have evidence of specific projects etc. Also - If you write the PR you want to get and give to your manager, the burden of effort falls on the manager to correct it where they disagree. If your manager writes it, the burden of effort falls on the manager to comprehensi…

> Performance reviews are (...) the only company IP you're entitled to take with you when you leave etc, so this is where you can have evidence of specific projects etc.

Wait what? I never heard about this in nearly two decades of working. Is this jurisdiction specific or a general case?

You'd think this would be no. 1 thing advice given to new joiners, or given by career couches, or given in all these threads where people ask how to deal with "Github history as proof of work" when you worked on proprietary code for years.

> If you write the PR you want to get and give to your manager, the burden of effort falls on the manager to correct it where they disagree. If your manager writes it, the burden of effort falls on the manager to comprehensively justify your value as a matter of record. It is better the former be halfassed than the latter

That is a good point to keep in mind, I agree.

Re: Transparent leadership beats servant leadership

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Post by godelski »

reverius42 wrote: post #192
harrall wrote: post #185

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We’re not talking about preventative actions. Choosing to park my car correctly because I used get tickets is a reactive action. Helping someone because they asked for help is a reactive action. Being late and then doing things to stop being late is also reactive. I’m not talking about preventing hypothetical consequences for events that could happen but have not even happened.

> Choosing to park my car correctly because I used get tickets is a reactive action. How do you explain someone who chooses to park correctly and has never received a parking ticket?

Could your parking have been better? How so?

If you answered "no" to the above question then you answered wrong. This is true for s/parking/*/ because perfect doesn't exist.

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