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The EU made Apple adopt new Wi-Fi standards, and now Android can support AirDrop

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Re: The EU made Apple adopt new Wi-Fi standards, and now Android can support AirDrop

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Post by matwood »

monocasa wrote: post #187
matwood wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same with usb-c when Apple was one of the main drivers of usb-c adoption.

Apple had to be dragged kicking and screaming into supporting usb-c on the truly mobile devices.

Apple was clearly moving towards usbc (which they helped develop). Their laptops and iPad pros had moved along with the pro phones. To think the EU the reason usbc came to the iPhone is ignoring the clear path Apple was on. At best they put it in the rest of the phone line a generation early.

Any fight that Apple put up was performative and them not wanting any sort of precedence to be set.

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Post by ptx »

So apparently they use Bluetooth to establish the connection and WiFi for the data transfer. This sounds a lot like the "Alternative MAC/PHY" feature which was added in Bluetooth 3.0 and then removed in Bluetooth 5.3 [1] due to low uptake.

Why didn't the standard Bluetooth way of doing this gain any traction? What was wrong with it?

[1] https://www.bluetooth.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Bluetoo...

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Post by saagarjha »

nozzlegear wrote: post #164
echelon wrote: post #116

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> With all this emphasis they're putting on upselling these $150 map updates, it doesn't take a genius to understand why GM is no longer making vehicles with CarPlay or Android Auto. Because cars are a low margin, high capital business with ruthless competition. Because a trillion dollar duopoly gets to spend a billion dollars on mapping software and give it away completely for free as part of an ecosystem / platform…

CarPlay doesn't show me ads for McDonald's, it doesn't show me ads at all.

Yet :(

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Post by avh02 »

stephen_g wrote: post #153
usrnm wrote: post #9

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Apple also helped develop USB C more than a decade ago, they still had to be forced to actually use it in their phones. There is no contradiction here

That did turn a huge number of chargers and accessories into e-waste though...

probably offset by travellers hauling less proprietary cables with them on holidays/business trips/commutes, i now travel with basically one cable to charge almost every device

yes, this is a little tongue in cheek, but i do appreciate the standardization around USB-C

edit: people need to just admit their lives got better with this forced change. (this is not a reply to you, general observation)

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Post by fennecfoxy »

Great! Apple is happy to use the regular Wifi standard, regular Bluetooth standard, USB standard (which they were "planning to anyway" even tho it perfectly lined up with being forced to). They support media standards like mp4, jpeg, png etc.

ALL companies should be beholden to common standards of interoperability. It infuriates me that I can plug my Android phone into Windows and it reads it just fine but that plugging it into my Mac does nothing because a bunch of executives are circle jerking each other; this stuff isn't good for US, the consumers.

How can we have that cool future where we swipe a media file over towards a person in AR and have it automatically sent to them when we're allowing companies to use the standards they like and dodge ones they don't so that they can create a "platfoooorm" hurr de durr. The "platform" is the entire fucking ecosystem of devices out there.

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Post by fennecfoxy »

leosanchez wrote: post #222
grimblee wrote: post #221

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I mean, housing and medical treatment are more expensive in the US because the market is unregulated and so the capital exploits the poor who can't do otherwise for those basic needs. You defeated your own argument ? Thanks !

> housing and medical treatment are more expensive in the US because the market is unregulated Is it really unregulated though?

Pretty sure pricing isn't. Can't US medical companies essentially charge what they like? As long as they don't align with each other to price gouge customers...even though I imagine they do anyway (just very carefully).

Re: The EU made Apple adopt new Wi-Fi standards, and now Android can support AirDrop

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Post by fennecfoxy »

MBCook wrote: post #3

So they forced Apple to drop an Apple proprietary thing in favor of… a Wi-Fi standard Apple helped develop specifically to replace their proprietary thing. Not quite as strong as the headline makes the case sound.

Well they forced a standard that anybody can use to support wirelessly sending files to nearby devices. That's a huge chain and taking a few bricks out of the garden wall.

I literally do not care about the wanky culty Android this Apple that stuff. I just want to plug my phone into my Mac and have it be able to read it, regardless of what phone that is. When someone needs to send me a document, I don't want them to have to change how they send it based on what device I have. Regulation and enforcing common interoperability standards is good for consumers; I don't care whose implementation wins out, just that all my devices support it.

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Post by fennecfoxy »

vineyardmike wrote: post #219
pavlov wrote: post #189

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Chinese cable manufacturers don't need contract guarantees to compete for the lucrative iPhone user market...

The cables have proprietary chips that need to be purchased from apple. And the target is companies that join their "Made For Apple" (MFI) program.

Those proprietary chips were cloned very quickly...

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Post by fennecfoxy »

itopaloglu83 wrote: post #151
notyourwork wrote: post #118

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Who is stopping someone from competing against ASML?

Who’s stopping anyone from competing with Apple? Let’s force ASML to open up its manufacturing line and cancel their patents for squandering innovation, but wait they’re an incredible company that dominated the field with their hard work and diligence, so it’s not fair for them. Similarly, the open markets should apply to everyone, not just dominant American firms. Though, I’m not saying they’re innocent and I think…

ASML isn't selling hundreds of millions of units to people like you and me.
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