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Re: Are consumers just tech debt to Microsoft?

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Post by bigyabai »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #229
CharlieDigital wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not dongle; docking station (old school ones with port on the bottom).

That wasn’t a capability of the laptop. The docking station had its own dedicated graphics hardware that drove the extra monitors. Of course the lowest end Macs can do that. When we talk about how many monitors a certain laptop can drive, we mean plugging them in directly to the laptop in some combination of HDMI ports and USB C/Thunderbolt ports.

This is embarrassing, just stop. You can go look up the specs of any chip and how many discrete displays the iGPU supported instead of bickering about what is or isn't a laptop feature. Citing sources isn't illegal or passe.

Here is the chip in my dogshit 2015 Ultrabook I still lug around, it very clearly states that the chip supports 3 displays regardless of how IO bandwidth is distributed on the mobo: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/88192/i...

Re: Are consumers just tech debt to Microsoft?

#232

Post by raw_anon_1111 »

bigyabai wrote: post #231
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That wasn’t a capability of the laptop. The docking station had its own dedicated graphics hardware that drove the extra monitors. Of course the lowest end Macs can do that. When we talk about how many monitors a certain laptop can drive, we mean plugging them in directly to the laptop in some combination of HDMI ports and USB C/Thunderbolt ports.

This is embarrassing, just stop. You can go look up the specs of any chip and how many discrete displays the iGPU supported instead of bickering about what is or isn't a laptop feature. Citing sources isn't illegal or passe. Here is the chip in my dogshit 2015 Ultrabook I still lug around, it very clearly states that the chip supports 3 displays regardless of how IO bandwidth is distributed on the mobo: https://www.i…

Exactly how did you attached three monitors to your laptop without a docking station? I bet you the docking station had displaylink based hardware/software like most of the Dell docking stations had

You didn’t give any citations on your specific model of laptop or docking station. You just admitted that you used an old school docking station - those came with GPUs.

And your citation said it wasn’t available in all configurations.

Re: Are consumers just tech debt to Microsoft?

#233

Post by [deleted] »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #232
bigyabai wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is embarrassing, just stop. You can go look up the specs of any chip and how many discrete displays the iGPU supported instead of bickering about what is or isn't a laptop feature. Citing sources isn't illegal or passe. Here is the chip in my dogshit 2015 Ultrabook I still lug around, it very clearly states that the chip supports 3 displays regardless of how IO bandwidth is distributed on the mobo: https://www.i…

Exactly how did you attached three monitors to your laptop without a docking station? I bet you the docking station had displaylink based hardware/software like most of the Dell docking stations had You didn’t give any citations on your specific model of laptop or docking station. You just admitted that you used an old school docking station - those came with GPUs. And your citation said it wasn’t available in all co…

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Re: Are consumers just tech debt to Microsoft?

#234

Post by CharlieDigital »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #229
CharlieDigital wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not dongle; docking station (old school ones with port on the bottom).

That wasn’t a capability of the laptop. The docking station had its own dedicated graphics hardware that drove the extra monitors. Of course the lowest end Macs can do that. When we talk about how many monitors a certain laptop can drive, we mean plugging them in directly to the laptop in some combination of HDMI ports and USB C/Thunderbolt ports.

The docking station didn't have GPUs; they only had the extra ports.

Re: Are consumers just tech debt to Microsoft?

#235

Post by CharlieDigital »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #232
bigyabai wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is embarrassing, just stop. You can go look up the specs of any chip and how many discrete displays the iGPU supported instead of bickering about what is or isn't a laptop feature. Citing sources isn't illegal or passe. Here is the chip in my dogshit 2015 Ultrabook I still lug around, it very clearly states that the chip supports 3 displays regardless of how IO bandwidth is distributed on the mobo: https://www.i…

Exactly how did you attached three monitors to your laptop without a docking station? I bet you the docking station had displaylink based hardware/software like most of the Dell docking stations had You didn’t give any citations on your specific model of laptop or docking station. You just admitted that you used an old school docking station - those came with GPUs. And your citation said it wasn’t available in all co…

It wasn't DisplayLink. Docking station only added ports.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/274734034597?itmmeta=01KAWK2DRBFS5H...

Re: Are consumers just tech debt to Microsoft?

#236

Post by [deleted] »

CharlieDigital wrote: post #234
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That wasn’t a capability of the laptop. The docking station had its own dedicated graphics hardware that drove the extra monitors. Of course the lowest end Macs can do that. When we talk about how many monitors a certain laptop can drive, we mean plugging them in directly to the laptop in some combination of HDMI ports and USB C/Thunderbolt ports.

The docking station didn't have GPUs; they only had the extra ports.

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Re: Are consumers just tech debt to Microsoft?

#237

Post by zombot »

pulse7 wrote: post #35
qgin wrote: post #17

Nobody seems to want to use Copilot, but Microsoft is in a great position when AGI "drop-in office workers" become a thing. They can just provision however many virtual coworkers to a Microsoft Teams instance and you'll be handing off documents and chatting with the AGI workers pretty much as you would any other remote worker. Microsoft doesn't have to be first or best here. Just owning the plumbing of so many presen…

I'm very happy that "AGI office workers" will use Microsoft products - so I don't have to do it anymore... But: they will not pay a dime for the licenses...

Don't panic, you will still do the paying for the licenses.

Re: Are consumers just tech debt to Microsoft?

#238

Post by cratermoon »

raziel2701 wrote: post #53
cratermoon wrote: post #10

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Microsoft has definitely angered consumers in the gaming space. Look what they've done to Minecraft, or the formerly beloved studios they bought out. The Game Pass price hike was not well-received.

Yeah there's lots of complaining but until they move to linux, stop buying their games and cancel their subscriptions nothing will change in the enshittification path.

Why do you think the Steam Deck and Steam Machine are getting so much attention?

Re: Are consumers just tech debt to Microsoft?

#239

Post by fdg4t »

IAmNotACellist wrote: post #199
eviks wrote: post #167

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Visual Studio is the one to compare to "any other heavy IDE", vs code is slow as a text editor due to chrome, not its ide features , and there are plenty of code editors with plugins that start much faster, though I won't make up 10000 times, it's only around 10

>vs code is slow as a text editor due to chrome VSCode is an IDE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_Studio_Code >Visual Studio is the one to compare to "any other heavy IDE" Why? VSCode is an example of a well-made product from MSFT, unlike Explorer. >and there are plenty of code editors with plugins that start much faster, What IDE with plugins starts faster? And I'm not talking about the startup time of VSCode.

>What IDE with plugins starts faster?

CudaText starts at the same speed as Sublime Text, but on Windows 10 it starts faster for me. Due to the faster Python DLL initing.

Re: Are consumers just tech debt to Microsoft?

#240

Post by IAmNotACellist »

eviks wrote: post #203
IAmNotACellist wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>vs code is slow as a text editor due to chrome VSCode is an IDE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_Studio_Code >Visual Studio is the one to compare to "any other heavy IDE" Why? VSCode is an example of a well-made product from MSFT, unlike Explorer. >and there are plenty of code editors with plugins that start much faster, What IDE with plugins starts faster? And I'm not talking about the startup time of VSCode.

> VSCode is an IDE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_Studio_Code Now try to follow your own sources, both links for that sentence call it a code editor with MS doing the correct reverence " happy with using a regular code editor like Sublime Text instead of a full IDE like Visual Studio."! It's also called so on its official page "The open source AI code editor" So try to make an actual argument/use a proper sourc…

>Now try to follow your own sources, both links for that sentence call it a code editor with MS doing the correct reverence " happy with using a regular code editor like Sublime Text instead of a full IDE like Visual Studio."

People call applications apps, and before that they called applications programs. VSCode is called an IDE. My link calls it an IDE. Some people call it a code editor. Some people call emacs and vim IDEs. VSCode does everything an IDE does, including compiling, debugging, and profiling.

>So try to make an actual argument/use a proper source for one instead of treating wikis as the ultimate truth

Just because you don't like it being called an IDE doesn't mean it isn't an actual argument.

Regardless, you haven't and can't attack my central point. The only one I care about, in fact: that the user can feel the vast difference in quality of VSCode vs. Explorer, and can tell that it's made competently vs. incompetently.

I also said nothing about how long it takes to start up--you brought that up. I called it "polished, fast, intelligent UI, not buggy, [and it] consistently improves," all of which are true. All of which you've ignored.

>You're, you are responding to a point about very slow startup time

I'm responding to someone who doesn't understand my argument, and probably doesn't want to.

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