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Re: LAPD helicopter tracker with real-time operating costs

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Same reason that nearly every police response in the US is an armed response. Same reason police kill more Americans than terrorists do. US police culture is toxic and deadly. Several cities tightly restrict high-speed chases. That should be the norm.

Exactly, unless someone is in imminent danger there's basically no reason to do a high speed chase. Get the plate, track it on the thousands of ANPR cameras that exist, look up the owner and just knock on their door later on. Like 99% of high speed chases only end when the culprit crashes their car, and often that's into someone else's car risking harm to innocent civilians.

The cars are usually stolen

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Then why do you have so many car chases? That seems like an odd problem. There must be a reason.

police will chase in the US for really any reason, kinda dumb when they have your plates they can just mail you a fine john oliver did a whole thing on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8ygQ2wEwJw

There's a newer video more on topic of police chases https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVFXUkFx5Y8

Re: LAPD helicopter tracker with real-time operating costs

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These are trivial matters in that the penalties are minor, not that they are optional.

Of course they're not optional, but you shouldn't be starting a high speed pursuit over a seat belt violation, or for someone going 5 over the speed limit. Principle of proportionality should apply, you shouldn't be risking the lives of the public over anything but the most serious offences where them getting away poses a greater threat to the public than potentially killing a bystander.

"you shouldn't be starting a high speed pursuit over a seat belt violation, or for someone going 5 over the speed limit"

That would indeed be dumb, but once somebody dumb has decided to do that they're guilty of something much more serious and the car chase is completely justified.

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I find it interesting that the question is "why don't they use drones". My question is: why so much air surveillance? I live in Germany. The only times I hear a helicopter is if someone is being rescued or if someones missing. I rarely see them at all.

The German eagerly commenting that, actually, it's different in Germany is becoming a defining cliche of HN comment sections.

Re: LAPD helicopter tracker with real-time operating costs

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post #204

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Same reason that nearly every police response in the US is an armed response. Same reason police kill more Americans than terrorists do. US police culture is toxic and deadly. Several cities tightly restrict high-speed chases. That should be the norm.

Restricted high speed chases lead to a lot more crime though there’s some car thief’s I’ve watched on insta and they avoid LA and stick to Oakland because of the chase laws you also have people in New York like squeeze benz, license, doolie, and a lot more who have made entire social media careers driving around recklessly and getting into crashes on freeways because they won’t get chased more than a mile there’s bee…

If someone is tiktok famous for filming the evidence of their felonies, that's an enforcement problem.

Re: LAPD helicopter tracker with real-time operating costs

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You know this is ridiculous, which is why you posted with a throwaway. Obvious excessive spending should not be shrugged off by dividing the expense by the population of the area. Obvious excessive costs need to be reined in. Tax money needs to be spent on the highest priorities, which this is not.

Some of us always post throwaway.

In an AI bot and troll infested world, expect quippy contrarian opinions posted with throwaways to be taken less seriously.

Re: LAPD helicopter tracker with real-time operating costs

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Same reason that nearly every police response in the US is an armed response. Same reason police kill more Americans than terrorists do. US police culture is toxic and deadly. Several cities tightly restrict high-speed chases. That should be the norm.

My home town of Hamilton, Ontario (population 560k) recently made the news because a guy stole a bus, with passengers onboard, and started driving it through the city. It was newsworthy because he also dropped people off at their stops, and even rejected someone who tried to board with an expired bus pass. But what stood out for me in addition to all that was the police response. They quietly followed the bus, intent…

I'm Canadian and American, and have lived in both places and seen the stark differences myself. In the US, the police culture is certainly militarized and proud of it. Even in small towns you have days where the police roll out the biggest armored vehicles they have to show off, and that's their idea of a "community event", kids think its cool obviously, but it's really just "lets show off all of our high power toys".

Re: LAPD helicopter tracker with real-time operating costs

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I find it interesting that the question is "why don't they use drones". My question is: why so much air surveillance? I live in Germany. The only times I hear a helicopter is if someone is being rescued or if someones missing. I rarely see them at all.

The German eagerly commenting that, actually, it's different in Germany is becoming a defining cliche of HN comment sections.

Honestly I'll take that over the "street poops are so bad in SF" brigade any day of the week.

Re: LAPD helicopter tracker with real-time operating costs

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Could I have damaged the cars even though I saw no signs of damage? It would be nice if someone else with knowledge would chime in here. If this damages cars, then I want to know, so I can stop doing it in the future.

Unfortunately, yes. Dropping a magnet onto a car and pulling it off, especially if not recently cleaned, will damage the paint to some degree. Maybe not enough for an average person to notice, but you really shouldn’t do this to other people’s cars. Some people will get snide about anyone who cares about their car’s paint, but as someone who once bought a car I had to save a long time for and spent a lot of time with…

I'll avoid doing it from now on.

Re: LAPD helicopter tracker with real-time operating costs

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post #204

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Same reason that nearly every police response in the US is an armed response. Same reason police kill more Americans than terrorists do. US police culture is toxic and deadly. Several cities tightly restrict high-speed chases. That should be the norm.

My home town of Hamilton, Ontario (population 560k) recently made the news because a guy stole a bus, with passengers onboard, and started driving it through the city. It was newsworthy because he also dropped people off at their stops, and even rejected someone who tried to board with an expired bus pass. But what stood out for me in addition to all that was the police response. They quietly followed the bus, intent…

Reminds me of the story where two guys went for a joyride in a Tram in Braunschweig (DE). They boarded a tram during the night, drove for a few stops (including letting passengers board & leave) and left the tram there.

The funniest part of the story is that they didn't commit any crime and were let go.

Story here (in German): https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/braunschweig-junge-ma...

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