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Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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Re: Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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Post by nar001 »

nik282000 wrote: post #132
aleph_minus_one wrote: post #115

But why integrate AI so deeply into Windows instead of 1. keeping Windows as small and lean as possible, and let it do the things an operating system is for, 2. offering some AI applications that can be installed optionally by the users who want them, i.e. turn their AI applications into external software that can be installed/used or not, like Microsoft Office.

Windows is not a general purpose operating system. It's a platform for monetizing businesses via licensing and cloud services, and a platform for monetizing private users by way of advertising and data mining. If they were ever to produce a Windows PowerUser edition, with absolutely no bloat, it would have to be priced like a CAD suite.

Isn't that what Windows 11 LTSC is though? At least a lot of it removed?

Re: Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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Post by epolanski »

hifix wrote: post #5

> The fact that people are unimpressed that we can have a fluent conversation with a super smart AI that can generate any image/video is mindblowing to me. It's not that people are unimpressed with AI - they're just tired of constantly being bombarded with it, and it sneaking its way into where it's not wanted. "Generate any image you want!" "Analyse this thing with AI!" gets pretty tiring. If I want AI I'll actively…

On top of that: it seems like Microsoft (and Google too) is doing its best at alienating customers with those measures.

Everything is now either accessing your data directly and you have to opt-out or you can't even opt out at all.

This AI rush/push is also permeating every line and product: from the office suite, to github, to vscode, and even open source tools are getting AI shoved in, like Playwright, and it feels everything else is an afterthought.

It seems Nadya is making a Ballmer-level play. Ballmer had the right intuition: that Microsoft had to move its focus from the desktop to the cloud. But the execution was poor. Now history's repeating.

Re: Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

pjmlp wrote: post #30

It is going to be the next Windows Me, Vista, Windows 8, and while I usually do pro-Windows comments, I also don't want an agentic OS Microsoft style.

People are crying out for an intelligent Clippy to help them through the day. (Or maybe that little dog they used for a while, though don't know its name)

Re: Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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Post by sheepscreek »

epolanski wrote: post #232
hifix wrote: post #5

> The fact that people are unimpressed that we can have a fluent conversation with a super smart AI that can generate any image/video is mindblowing to me. It's not that people are unimpressed with AI - they're just tired of constantly being bombarded with it, and it sneaking its way into where it's not wanted. "Generate any image you want!" "Analyse this thing with AI!" gets pretty tiring. If I want AI I'll actively…

On top of that: it seems like Microsoft (and Google too) is doing its best at alienating customers with those measures. Everything is now either accessing your data directly and you have to opt-out or you can't even opt out at all. This AI rush/push is also permeating every line and product: from the office suite, to github, to vscode, and even open source tools are getting AI shoved in, like Playwright, and it feels…

It’s a perception problem AMPLIFIED by a trust problem. People don’t trust Microsoft. Or at least they trust Google more than they trust Microsoft.

For a small period of time, I was actually using Edge + Copilot everyday (and it was decent) but their competition has improved so much and appears WAY more privacy focused. I know that Sam Altman is trying hard to stay within the bounds of people’s trust, which once broken is hard to replace (he even said so in an interview).

Re: Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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Post by Macha »

cadamsdotcom wrote: post #2

> it's hard to believe we're going to see a version of Windows that isn't bloated with AI functionality most people didn't ask for. All the leadership need to do is read these types of articles and they’ll see what’s going on outside the walls. One wonders how the internal incentives can be so wrong.

The investors want AI because they believe it will replace all intellectual work, and so the company with the best AI will get all the money from several other sectors.

The execs want AI to show to the investors to improve their job security and compensation packages.

The middle managers want AI to show execs to improve their promotion causes.

The customers only get to talk to the day to day employees of the company, so their opinion doesn’t matter to the rest of the hierarchy

Re: Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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Post by Macha »

ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #233
pjmlp wrote: post #30

It is going to be the next Windows Me, Vista, Windows 8, and while I usually do pro-Windows comments, I also don't want an agentic OS Microsoft style.

People are crying out for an intelligent Clippy to help them through the day. (Or maybe that little dog they used for a while, though don't know its name)

Was the dog ever the default? There were like 10 or so appearances you could change clippy to and the dog was one of them but clippy was the default so is the one people remember

Re: Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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Post by favflam »

Windows users' relationship with Microsoft looks like an abusive spouse relationship.

I don't think the hurdle is so high for companies to sell Linux machines that look like Windows XP and users to just stomach changing OSs.

I think Valve smells blood in the water and that is why they are releasing their new Steam Machine (linux based).

Re: Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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Post by ProllyInfamous »

ckozlowski wrote: post #45

This Microsoft response reminds me of the 2018 Blizzcon event, where the Diablo Immortal developer challenged the audience with "Do you guys not have phones?" when the audience asked if the game was coming to PC. Then - like now - it seemed that they couldn't understand that what they made was not what their customers wanted.

>"Do you guys not have phones?"

My local state representatives just attempted this at our latest "town hall meeting" [i.e. to participate: scan the 8.5"x11" QR code, taped upon each chair].

I do not carry a phone, let alone one that scans QR codes... so instead I just provided 300 pound union dude commentary throughout our entire meeting. I definitely participated.

Re: Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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Post by red-iron-pine »

le-mark wrote: post #78
anon7000 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s partly that, but it’s also partly that the quality SUCKS. I’m frustrated with AI blogspam because it doesn’t in any way help me figure out whatever I’m researching. It’s such low quality. What I want and need is higher quality primary sources — in depth research, investigation, presented in an engaging way. Or with movies and shows, I want something genuine. With a genuine story that feels real, characters that…

I experimented with some ai generated political spam on YouTube. The reality is a lot of people can’t tell the difference or don’t care. Given the demographic this site selects for, it’s easy to forget how many dumb people there are in the world.

> Given the demographic this site selects for, it’s easy to forget how many dumb people there are in the world.

I'm not sure what you're implying? That people here are smart? Or that they're ruthless tech-bro capitalists?

Or that ~20-40% of them are bots hyping their startup capital ventures, cuz that's what YC is about -- venture capital and startups.

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