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Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

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Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

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Post by Klonoar »

0x457 wrote: post #225
edot wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same here. I always refuse facial recognition when possible, but they had no problem using it on return from international travel. The systems aren’t linked (yet).

Why? They already have photos of you and your biometric data. All you're doing is slowing down the line for everyone else.

It doesn't slow down the line, they hold you at just about every crowded airport until the line for the luggage/body scanner are ready for the next person. Even if it did, though, I have the right to opt out, so you will wait until I've exercised my right. Deal with it. :)

I reject it because I don't believe in a world where rampant facial recognition should be the norm.

Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

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Post by WhyNotHugo »

v3xro wrote: post #138
throw0101d wrote: post #22

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> I am never handing my phone to a cop. The point is that you don't have to: > To present a Digital ID in person, users can double-click the side button or Home button to access Apple Wallet and select Digital ID. From there, they can hold their iPhone or Apple Watch near an identity reader, review the specific information being requested, and use Face ID or Touch ID to authenticate. "hold … near … review" If you're…

When buying alcohol in a physical store, in the UK we have the "Challenge 21/25" schemes https://www.drinkaware.co.uk/facts/information-about-alcohol... such that yes if you look very young the cashier/automated checkout assistant will ask for your ID but in most cases, they will approve without checking anything. I do not see any positives to requiring identification for all transactions.

The Netherlands is quite similar. You need to be 18 to buy alcohol, but only need to show an ID if you’re under 25.

It’s pointless to ask someone who’s clearly in their fourties for an ID in this case.

Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

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Post by 0x457 »

Klonoar wrote: post #231
0x457 wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? They already have photos of you and your biometric data. All you're doing is slowing down the line for everyone else.

It doesn't slow down the line, they hold you at just about every crowded airport until the line for the luggage/body scanner are ready for the next person. Even if it did, though, I have the right to opt out, so you will wait until I've exercised my right. Deal with it. :) I reject it because I don't believe in a world where rampant facial recognition should be the norm.

When I was in Haneda airport, a machine tells you which of 4 lines to go to and if you have forgotten there is a screen with live camera feed from screen POV and little boxes drawn on top kinda above you with your line.

I thought it was pretty neat, but felt super invasive.

CBP facial recognition is far less invasive. It's not an instance of "rampant facial recognition" in my opinion. There is really no downside, "they" already know you might be at the airport because you booked a ticket, since most US airports don't let to the air side without a ticket. You are already on bunch of cameras inside the airport, including right when:

1) your ID verified by human or by a kiosk

2) when you drop off your bags

3) when you board the plane

4) every other time you have to show your ID or boarding pass

You do you though.

Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

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Post by culopatin »

jcon321 wrote: post #180
crazygringo wrote: post #171

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Why "no thank you"? I am very much thank you. I'm still waiting for Apple to support the driver's license from my state. It will be one less thing to carry. There are literally no downsides. My state already had me in its electronic database because I'm a driver. The TSA already has me in its electronic database. Apple already knows exactly who I am from my many credit card purchases with them. It's not taking away a…

You have no issues with handing over your cell phone to a police officer who pulls you over? I imagine you'll say "all I have to do is present an ID", but what if the officer cannot read it, so he wants to hold it? Okay you wont let him hold it, so he bends down and gets real close to your phone? You know he must verify the address against his database, so you're going to make him write down your address as he walks…

Then don’t do it

Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

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Post by sedatk »

steve_taylor wrote: post #169
sedatk wrote: post #127

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They’re already doing that without digital IDs. I don’t see how this affects the other.

Part of a Digital ID is an identity provider that implements protocols such as OAuth 2 and OIDC. Once this is in place, the government that owns the Digital ID system can mandate that platforms such as social networks, search engines, email providers, etc. link the users in its jurisdiction to its Digital ID via OAuth/OIDC. As this isn't as onerous as reviewing identity documents, governments can make this a requirem…

> Once this is in place, the government that owns the Digital ID system can mandate that platforms such as social networks, search engines, email providers, etc. link the users in its jurisdiction to its Digital ID via OAuth/OIDC

Governments can do that today already. Digital IDs don't contribute anything to this. They just make our lives easier, not governments'.

> but they have to do a lot of legwork to link data to specific people. They'll always get false positives, false negatives, duplicates, etc.

Those false positives/negatives, duplicates affect real people too. That's just a case for digital IDs, not against.

> and, in the process, permanently linking their Digital ID Identifier to all their social media accounts

How do you reach to that conclusion? How are they permanently linked? It's perfectly possible to verify your age digitally without permanently linking your ID with your social accounts.

> Once Australia rolls this out to social networks, it will keep expanding until virtually everything is captured.

Again, that can be done without digital IDs. You're holding the wrong front here. Privacy invading laws should be fought, but the public shouldn't be kept away from the convenience and privacy gains of digital IDs. It makes no sense.

Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

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Post by rpdillon »

crazygringo wrote: post #206
voxic11 wrote: post #199

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Don't hand over your physical ID either. Unless you are driving no one can make you identify yourself with a government ID.

I think you're forgetting about flights. And country borders. And I'm not sure how much luck you're going to have opening a bank account... does your birth certificate work for that?

His point is more that if you're walking down the sidewalk on a cop asks you for your ID, you're under no obligation to provide it.

But now that ICE is carrying facial recognition scanners that you're not allowed to opt out of, I guess the point is probably moot.

Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

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Post by edot »

0x457 wrote: post #225
edot wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same here. I always refuse facial recognition when possible, but they had no problem using it on return from international travel. The systems aren’t linked (yet).

Why? They already have photos of you and your biometric data. All you're doing is slowing down the line for everyone else.

Unused rights atrophy.

Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

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Post by mathgeek »

throwaway290 wrote: post #212
mathgeek wrote: post #201

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While morality is a different discussion for sure, I was only referring to how society as an organism views people. The wealthy undeniably have more rights and privilege than the poor.

privilege yes, but rights... maybe in some societies, but I wouldn't generalize

Do you have an example?

Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

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Post by rootsudo »

crazygringo wrote: post #206
voxic11 wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't hand over your physical ID either. Unless you are driving no one can make you identify yourself with a government ID.

I think you're forgetting about flights. And country borders. And I'm not sure how much luck you're going to have opening a bank account... does your birth certificate work for that?

You do not need an ID ti fly within the USA

As for birth certificate, it is a document that shows you are a citizenship and does identify you and can be used. It’s common in other countries as a document to open back accounts so in many ways it can in the USA.

Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

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Post by RandomBacon »

culopatin wrote: post #234
jcon321 wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have no issues with handing over your cell phone to a police officer who pulls you over? I imagine you'll say "all I have to do is present an ID", but what if the officer cannot read it, so he wants to hold it? Okay you wont let him hold it, so he bends down and gets real close to your phone? You know he must verify the address against his database, so you're going to make him write down your address as he walks…

Then don’t do it

Just like it's an option to not use credit cards, cell phones, email, etc.
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