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Yann LeCun to depart Meta and launch AI startup focused on 'world models'

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Re: Yann LeCun to depart Meta and launch AI startup focused on 'world models'

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Post by scoot »

BoxOfRain wrote: post #182
scoot wrote: post #169

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Pleased to meet someone else who suffers from "visual snow". I'm fortunate in that like my tinnitus, I'm only acutely aware of it when I'm reminded of it, or, less frequently, when it's more pronounced. You're quite correct that our "reality" is in part constructed. The Flashed Face Distortion Effect [0][1] (wherein faces in the peripheral vision appear distorted due the the brain filling in the missing information w…

Ah that's interesting, mine is omnipresent and occasionally bad enough I have to take days off work as I can't read my own code; it's like there's a baseline of it that occasionally flares up at random. Were you born with visual snow or did you acquire it later in life? I developed it as a teenager, and it was worsened significantly after a fever when I was a fresher. Also do you get comorbid headaches with yours out…

I developed it later in life. The tinnitus came earlier (and isn't as a result of excessive sound exposure as far as I know), but in my (unscientific) opinion they are different manifestations (symptoms) of the same underlying issue – a missing or faulty noise filter on sensory inputs to the brain.

Thankfully I don't get comorbid headaches – in fact I seldom get headaches at all. And even on the odd occasion that I do, they're mild and short-lived (like minutes). I don't recall ever having a headache that was severe, or that lasted any length of time.

Yours does sound much more extreme than mine, in that mine is in no way debilitating. It's more just frustrating that it exists at all, and that it isn't more widely recognised and researched. I have yet to meet an optician that seems entirely convinced that it's even a real phenomenon.

Re: Yann LeCun to depart Meta and launch AI startup focused on 'world models'

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Post by re-thc »

belter wrote: post #224
re-thc wrote: post #223

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> A pipe dream sustaining the biggest stock market bubble in history This is why we're losing innovation. Look at electric cars, batteries, solar panels, rare earths and many more. Bubble or struggle for survival? Right, because if US has no AI the world will have no AI? That's the real bubble - being stuck in an ancient world view. Meta's stock has already tanked for "over" investing in AI. Bubble, where?

2 Trillion dollars in Capex to get code generators with hallucinations, that run at a loss, and you ask where is the Bubble?

> 2 Trillion dollars in Capex to get code generators with hallucinations

You assume that's the only use of it.

And are people not using these code generators?

Is this an issue with a lost generation that forgot what Capex is? We've moved from Capex to Opex and now the notion is lost, is it? You can hire an army of software developers but can't build hardware.

Is it better when everyone buys DeepSeek or a non-US version? Well then you don't need to spend Capex but you won't have revenue either.

Re: Yann LeCun to depart Meta and launch AI startup focused on 'world models'

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Post by p_v_doom »

tedsanders wrote: post #36
consumer451 wrote: post #24

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Can anyone explain to me the non-$$ logic for one working towards AGI, aside from misanthropy? The only other thing I can imagine is not very charitable: intellectual greed. It can't just be that, can it? I genuinely don't understand. I would love to be educated.

I'm working toward AGI. I hope AGI can be used to automate work and make life easier for people.

Automating work and making life easier for people are two entirely different things. Automating work tends to lead to life becoming harder for people - mostly on account of who is benefiting from the automation - basically that better life aint gonna happen under capitalism

Re: Yann LeCun to depart Meta and launch AI startup focused on 'world models'

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Post by jcfrei »

drexlspivey wrote: post #184
breppp wrote: post #173

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they are out for your clicks and attention minutes if OpenAI can build a "social" network of completely generated content, that can kill Meta. Even today I venture to guess that most of the engagements in their platforms is not driven by real friends, so an AI driven platform won't be too different, or it might make content generation be so easy as to make your friends engage again. Apart from it the ludicrous vision…

How do LLMs help with clicks and attention minutes? Why do they spend $100+B a year in AI capex, more than Google and Microsoft that actually rent AI compute to clients? What are they going to do with all that compute? It’s all so confusing

Browse TikTok and you already see AI generated videos popping up. Could well be that the platforms with the most captivating content will not be a "social" network but one consisting of some tailor made feed for you. That could undermine the business model of the existing social networks - unless they just fill it with AI generated content themselves. In other words: Facebook should really invest in good video generating models to keep their platforms ahead.

Re: Yann LeCun to depart Meta and launch AI startup focused on 'world models'

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Post by qwertox »

conradfr wrote: post #63
llamasushi wrote: post #34

LeCun, who's been saying LLMs are a dead end for years, is finally putting his money where his mouth is. Watch for LeCun to raise an absolutely massive VC round.

So not his money ;)

But his responsability.

Re: Yann LeCun to depart Meta and launch AI startup focused on 'world models'

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Post by rhubarbtree »

wmiel wrote: post #229

Surprising to see how many commenters are in favour and supportive towards policy of prioritising short term profits vs. Long-term research. I understand Meta's not academia nor charity, but come on, how much profit do they need to make so we can expect them to allocate part of their resources towards some long term goals beneficial for society,.not only for shareholders? Hasn't that narrow focus and chasing the prof…

Many people believe a company exists only to make profit for its shareholders, and that no matter the amount it should continue to maximise profits at the expense of all else.

Re: Yann LeCun to depart Meta and launch AI startup focused on 'world models'

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Post by slfnflctd »

blitzar wrote: post #205
Tepix wrote: post #150

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Carmack laid the foundation for the all-in-one VR headsets.

Hopefully one day, in a galaxy far far away, someone builds something on those foundations.

You joke, but the Star Wars games - especially the pinball one, for me at least - are some of the best experiences available on Quest headsets. I've been playing software pinball (as well as the real thing) since the 80s, and this is one of my favorite ways to do it now, which I will keep coming back to.

Re: Yann LeCun to depart Meta and launch AI startup focused on 'world models'

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Post by littlestymaar »

re-thc wrote: post #232
belter wrote: post #224

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2 Trillion dollars in Capex to get code generators with hallucinations, that run at a loss, and you ask where is the Bubble?

> 2 Trillion dollars in Capex to get code generators with hallucinations You assume that's the only use of it. And are people not using these code generators? Is this an issue with a lost generation that forgot what Capex is? We've moved from Capex to Opex and now the notion is lost, is it? You can hire an army of software developers but can't build hardware. Is it better when everyone buys DeepSeek or a non-US versi…

Deepseek somehow didn't need $2T to happen.

Re: Yann LeCun to depart Meta and launch AI startup focused on 'world models'

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Post by qwertox »

It would have been just as interesting to read that he moved over to Google, where the real brains and resources are located at.

Meta is now just competing against giants like OpenAI, Anthropic and Google, plus all the new Chinese companies; I see no real chance for them to offer a popular chat model, but rather to market their AI as a bundled product for companies which want to advertise, where the images and videos will be automatically generated by Meta.

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